RP knot failure

Fincutter

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I got a nasty surprise when I actually tested my tying of the RP knot. With 50# spectra and 40# mono, I got breakage at the knot with 20# of weight. I tried twice more with different line and careful tying but the result was pretty much the same. I watched the John Collins video twice more and it sure seems like I'm tying it correctly. I like the RPt's simplicity and small size but wonder about breaking strength. Is there something tricky that you need to do to get it right?
 
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Tom Honaker

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I got a nasty surprise when I actually tested my tying of the RP knot. With 50# spectra and 40# mono, I got breakage at the knot with 20# of weight. I tried twice more with different line and careful tying but the result was pretty much the same. I watched the John Collins video twice more and it sure seems like I'm tying it correctly. I like the RPt's simplicity and small size but wonder about breaking strength. Is there something tricky that you need to do to get it right?
On the last phase of the knott, try going through twice instead of once.
 

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7-9 turns both ways and cross the previous wraps evenly on the way back. Don't let the wraps bunch up, they should all pull down tight.

Two or three extra loops at the end will lock the knot and prevent the tag end from pulling through
 

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I love this knot. Actually fish with John several times. Number one test the line or floro by itself. In the hot garage????? No Bueno. The other thing is the x wraps are very even, I use 7 for good luck. Leave a tang. This is your indicator on when to re-tie. No matter how good you are the knot will tighten or slip. I tie yo-Zuri pink and you have to be careful on the cinch.....after 4 or five fish the tang will shorten and tell you when to re-tie. The tang I start with is a quarter inch..down to 1/16 is when I re-tie
 

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Good input. Thanks. I didn't wet the line, so I'll try that. Will also try the extra wraps in the last step. I wasn't able to see the Xs but I just bought some cheaters, so that should help. Gonna have to learn another knot too, just in case I can't get this one worked out. I won't be happy until I get at least 30# at knot breakage. BTW, my UNI knots got close to 40# on the 40# mono.
 

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Good input. Thanks. I didn't wet the line, so I'll try that. Will also try the extra wraps in the last step. I wasn't able to see the Xs but I just bought some cheaters, so that should help. Gonna have to learn another knot too, just in case I can't get this one worked out. I won't be happy until I get at least 30# at knot breakage. BTW, my UNI knots got close to 40# on the 40# mono.
Try the Bob Sands / Tony Pena or FG knots, never had one of those fail as of yet.
 

Terryw

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It helps to wrap the mono around one hand, the spectra around the other and give it a quick pull at the end. This cinches it. I have never had this knot fail. I have pulled too hard and had fluorocarbon fail but never the knot. I used to only use the Bob Sands but switched over a few years ago. Good luck.
 

Tom Honaker

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7-9 turns both ways and cross the previous wraps evenly on the way back. Don't let the wraps bunch up, they should all pull down tight.

Two or three extra loops at the end will lock the knot and prevent the tag end from pulling through
I fished on a trip 4 years ago, where a angler actually landed a cow, it was 238, with that knott. He was the one who told me to go through twice, when you lock it down
 

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I just watched a video on tying the FG and it doesn't look too bad. One of things I don't like is knots that are even slightly tricky to tie correctly. I'm gonna try the FG and then revise my RP based on suggestions above. The Bob Sands looks fine but it seems harder to get right and bulkier than the FG.
 

AKSalmon

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I caught a 201 on the Red Rooster with an RP knot last spring. The fish took almost an hour and a half. I used knot pullers and a drop of Tac Glue. It's the only knot I use any more.
 
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Fincutter

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I caught a 201 on the Red Rooster with an RP knot last spring. The fish took almost an hour and a half. I used knot pullers and a drop of Tac Glue. It's the only knot I use any more.
Interesting. I have never used knot glue. Does it go through the guides easily? Haven't used a knot puller either--don't think that I've ever seen one used. What does it add to the process?
 

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I did a trip on the Intrepid last year with Fishy and his pals. I consider myself to be a pretty decent long range fisherman. While the fishing was good, the learning was first class. Sitting and talking to Fishy and hearing is thoughts and strategies was invaluable. Learning how to properly tie the FG knot from Mike Kang was life changing for me in terms of connecting spectra to flouro. I use it with 100% confidence fishing for cow tuna to fishing my private boat for white seabass and everything in between.

Long range fishermen are some of the most innovative fishermen on the planet. I think the reason is that there are so many engineers that use their natural skills and abilities toward constantly looking for better ways of doing the things the rest of us take for granted.

In addition to learning the FG knot , Fishdog Gary taught me how to solder. With his guidance I returned home and purchased everything I needed for less than $100. I can solder any hook, jig, etc. David Henderson was also very helpful with so many different innovations. Silent Jim was the best fisherman on the boat. His fishing rod was an extension of his arm. He is so natural and fluid. I learned a great deal about hook selection and size as well as bait presentation. Jim was constantly hooked up. The best part about fishing with Jim is his humility. He is the consummate gentlemen and is always willing to share what he is doing to get bit.

Again, the fishing was good, the learning was better. I have found that on most long range trips most of the guys are pretty willing to share information. You just need to sit and LISTEN. So many new people want to talk and tell what they know. IMHO that's a mistake as this will be a turn off to many seasoned anglers. If you keep your head down and mouth closed there is soooo much to learn.

Of all of the trips/groups I have fished with, this was by far my favorite long range trip.