Rod Rating Rant

Discussion in 'Fishing Chit Chat' started by Shimano Penn, Apr 6, 2018.

  1. matta57

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    i have a seeker rated 20(30)40. that is pretty close to being the most reasonable system of rating a rod, i think.
     
  2. DannyNoonan

    DannyNoonan Smarter than I look...

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    IMO, a meaningful rod rating scheme would list a range of appropriate drag settings along with a range of lure weights that are optimal for that particular rod. For big fish rail rods the latter attribute may not be all that meaningful, but to virtually all other applications it is helpful. Monofilament pound test ratings are kinda meaningless unless everyone sets their drags at the same percentage of rated breaking strength, which isn’t always the case...

    For reels, the only consistent way to determine capacity is by line diameter - which the PE numbering scheme effectively represents. Doesn’t matter too much whether it’s mono or braid as long as the diameters are fairly consistent when loaded on the reel. Of course, until it became second nature everyone would need a PE decoder table...
     
  3. MATTANZA

    MATTANZA old man of the sea, in training.

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    I think it was 10-80 , and some 30-130, lol! I guess if you cut them down to stumps they'd fish 80 and 130.
     
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  4. fishkilr

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    What the?
     
  5. aguachico

    aguachico I've posted enough I should edit this section

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    Attempting to set a drag above 10# by pulling on the line, especially braid is not too accurate. So I scale all my outfits for accuracy.
    Imo it's a bit ass backwards to go thru all the trouble of buying gear, line, leaders and they are all set to 9#s of drag.

    Now if I can just stop leaving the scale hanging on the boat. :D
     
  6. wils

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    I guess if a "todays' fisherman" needs to have the exact line diameter and drag setting spelled out for them on each rod that is manufactured........ the apocalypse has truly arrived. :D

    Does this also mean that the reel manufacturers have developed a reel that auto-adjusts its drag during the day & night while the rod & reel is inactive - being soley affected by temps and humidity? and then again during the fight while being fulcrumed on the rail......with constantly changing spool diameter and seawater now getting even more drag attention from the auto-adjust? :puff:

    and speaking of auto-adjust, how about the manufacturers come out with auto-set in the first place - just punch in the #s drag that you want and the reel will automatically set it for you.......especially for those who can only pull 9#s bieber
     
  7. SouthBayKiller

    SouthBayKiller I've posted enough I should edit this section

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    Yep, the super seekers rating system was the best of the bunch I thought. The UC line seems pretty good now too. They fish the best at their mid-top rating from what I have seen so far.
     
  8. Yellowtail Dan

    Yellowtail Dan I've posted enough I should edit this section

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    I kind of like it the way it is but that's just me. Know what you're looking for in a blank and how you're going to fish it and then go to your local tackle shop and pull on it and others like it.
     
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    af dreamer I've posted enough I should edit this section

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    I guess im glad I was born before all this BS crap!I have been fishing almost 60 years,Have caught Blue and blk marlin,a so cal swordfish,countless tuna and YT and have to say I have NEVER used a scale to set my drag.I have not payed a lot of attention what a rating was on a rod.I pulled on it,if the bend and back bone was what I liked I got it a fished with it.FWIW,Tom
     
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    Looking at reasonable line ratings (that is, excluding the nonsense 10-80 lb kind) and looking at the rods tip and butt sizes, I found some correlation to the line rating range. That is when the difference between the tip and butt sizes was large, the line rating range was also large. This may make sense when used appropriately by the manufacturers.

    So far, I do not set my drag using a scale, but now I am interested in trying that :)

    Medy.
     
  11. gecsr1

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    This thread is making my head hurt.... just get over it ...it is what it is...LOL

    why change what has been here for 50 plus years, just add braid and drag ratings to the existing line ratings and everyone should be happy......

    yes I know... you can't please everyone....better yet forget I said anything.....LOL
     
  12. plj46

    plj46 I've posted enough I should edit this section

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    Maybe someone can explain this one to me,At Day at the Docks Phenix has their typical clearance bin of rods that claim to be rated 20-40 lb. for mono and 40-100 spectra.Its the same rod ! i felt it and tugged on it,no way 100 lb. on that thing.
     
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    r8rs4lf I've posted enough I should edit this section

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    I feel like hunting down the right gear is all part of the experience. Finding the blanks, pulling on them, deciding on the color I want wrapped on the blank, trying to figure out which reel will work on that rod by looking at the manufacturer's specifications. Testing those specs. Deciding on what line rating I want to use on that particular reel on that particular rod. Call me crazy, but I love it! Hanging out in my garage spooling up my reels, attaching them to the rods and just admiring the work I've done. The payoff is when I land the fish!

    For me the time leading up to the trip is just as exciting and meaningful as the actual trip itself!

    I've only been fishing for a very short time, but I love each and every minute of it including meeting members here selling and trading gear. Not to mention all the great people I meet on the boats.
     
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    af dreamer I've posted enough I should edit this section

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    Your crazy!There you go!Tom
     
  15. russ1962

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    I agree. And here's a perfect example.
    You mention the 870. I have a Black Steel 870 with a 15-40 rating. It's a good 20lb rod.
    I also have a Calstar 270-7 E-glass. Definitely a good 25lb rod and could easily handle 30 lb.
    You need to pull on them under drag and get a feel for them.
     
  16. carterantebi

    carterantebi I hate fishing

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    People seriously check their drags with a scale and do all these crazy calculations???
     
  17. yakdout

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    Some people like to over think it....
     
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  18. hucklongfin

    hucklongfin Deep release specialist

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    What next, complaining that all 3/0 circle hooks aren’t the same size?
     
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  19. Let em eat 74

    Let em eat 74 Well-Known "Member"

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    I would think it more helpful to just start a thread for people to throw in their preferred sweet spot for each rod, but the variance there is likely to be just as confusing.
     
  20. Rodless_Jim

    Rodless_Jim I've posted enough I should edit this section

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    I have given up worrying about line rating for a rod. As others have said in this thread and elsewhere, the best way to choose a rod for for a given application is to pull on it the way you plan to fish it, against the drag you plan to use, and see if the rod behaves the way you want that rod to behave.

    When you find the rod that does exactly what you want it to, exactly the way you want it to, stop looking and buy the rod. For the past few years, every time I have been looking for a new rod, I start with United Composites. They haven't disappointed me yet!
     

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