Rod builder refuses to build UC Custom wrap rod - looking for opinions

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    So are you trying to find a reason to build a GPX Viper, or are you trying to build the right rod for a trolling/kite rig? It sounds like Randy set you up with the Viper and now you have the blank but don't know what to do with it.

    9'6" gunnel rods are a thing and are sold as a factory build with Unibutts from UC, for those who are mystified by that concept. Not exactly a "rail" rod but it's certainly a thing.

    I personally want to build that CX40 in a 50-100 and a 130+ with the Winthrop adjusta-butt for trolling and kite. So perhaps I'll be hitting up Darin...
     
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    I fish my Viper 76 from long range boats as a rail rod. I’ve trolled with it too but on the big boats you hang the rig from trolling straps so the rod is pointed straight at the lure… length of rod isn’t a problem. I’ve trolled from the Spirit of Adventure too and they have a full transom so you have the rod up at a 60 degree angle, more like on a PB. A release clip attached to the reel seat will get the line at a lower angle and keep the lure in the water better! A strong rubber band around the line and looped over the reel handle will work too. Wouldn’t a release clip work for your issue as well attached to the transom as a flat line clip?
    Just getting to the line to put it in the release clip is the issue. I have a LONG reach, and when the lure is deployed grabbing the line on a long rod would be a feat.
     
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    Just getting to the line to put it in the release clip is the issue. I have a LONG reach, and when the lure is deployed grabbing the line on a long rod would be a feat.
    I’m not much of a PB’er... I ride the Excel and SoA. But this doesn’t seem be a problem with 2 people. One holds the line while it’s going out then attach it to the clip while the other guy takes the rod up top. Even on the SoA, let the line drop back then grab the line with one hand while putting the rod in the holder with the other.

    Using the release clips should enable you to troll with a 7’6” rod even with the Winthrop Terminator butt on a PB without undo pressure on the tip, right? Problem solved?
     
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    Shouldn’t be a problem with 2 people. One holds the line while it’s going out then attach it to the clip while the other guy takes the rod up top. Even on the SoA, let the line drop back then grab the line with one hand while putting the rod in the holder with the other.

    Using the release clips should enable you to troll with a 7’6” rod even with the Winthrop Terminator butt on a PB without undo pressure on the tip, right? Problem solved?
    We usually don't have two people deploying the spread on one rod. If we have two, one drives and one deploys. If we have three, one drives and one each on port and stbd deploying. Bad use of labor for a bad rod IMHO.
     
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    If this is what a 7’6” blank is going to be strapped to then, holly $hits and 9’6” trolling rod on a PB is mighty long!! I guess, it’s gonna be a gunnel rod troller fought out off the rod holder like the Wicked Tuna guys ?

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    I wouldn’t use the winthrops. The originals break under load and the HD ones are bulky and expensive. You’d be better off getting an Alps or Aftco bent butt then buying a straight butt in case you have an application for it.

    You also don’t want to be trolling heavy “through butt” rods because that’s the best way to blow one up.

    You want a short glass rod, bent butt, oversize roller tip to pass line connections and knots under pressure and the rest Ring guides. Size 25,20,16,12’s.

    I like my heavy trolling rods to be all glass and 7’ - 7’6” overall. To help clear motors and rails.
     
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    Just getting to the line to put it in the release clip is the issue. I have a LONG reach, and when the lure is deployed grabbing the line on a long rod would be a feat.
    Get a 3ft gaff or make one specifically for grabbing lines. They’re standard on most boats
     
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    Get a 3ft gaff or make one specifically for grabbing lines. They’re standard on most boats


    I wouldn't touch the line with a gaff (or anything else that isn't perfectly smooth). I have never had any problem grabbing the tip of a 7'6" rod on my boat. In a 45 degree rod holder, the tip is less than 5' above the base (and the base is several inches below the gunnel. I am over 6' and for me it is just not a problem, even with the stiffest rods. But a rod with any flex, even a much shorter person could easily bend the rod down.
     
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    Build it the way you think it will fit you best now with the knowledge you have “now” about the blank.
    You’ll learn one way or the other weather or not the rod will fit in your quiver. All else fails, sell it, go back to 310 and tell him your needs and intentions amd they’ll advise you on the route to go.
     
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    Use a downrigger and pull a big ol' bend in that long assed buggy whip. When you get bit that bow will snap up the slack and set the hook.

    Problem solved.
     
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    Hey guys…this is Darin…the 310Rodworks guy. I don’t post here much so when I heard this thread was going on, I thought I better take a look.

    There are a few things that need to be cleared up. I am not saying anyone was wrong here. I just think there are parts to this whole scenario that if discussed, others will benefit from. In this bluefin game, there are a lot of new innovative ideas. We’re all sorting it out. When it comes to issues like what we’re dealing with here, innovation doesn’t always equal better. I hope you agree. In nearly every case, railrods and trolling rods don’t mix. Not saying it can’t be done. I just believe that if you are starting with a fresh canvas and building a trolling rod from scratch, you would want the best possible blank for the application.

    I don’t believe DerekDaKid was trying to directly discredit the advice I was giving him. Nor do I think he was directly calling me out. I think he was given advice from two people who he probably thought were going to be in lock step with one another…and they weren’t. In fact they were totally opposite! That would be confusing. I’m sorry for the confusion. What I always try to do for my customers is to ensure that when that custom, very expensive rod gets wet for the first time, it is exactly what it is intended to be. I ask a lot of questions. I want to know that the person handling the rod is going to be able to effectively use it.

    Here’s the second thing. We discussed this build at length. He didn’t mention that he had already purchased the blank. He said he wanted to use the GPX Viper blank in a UniButt for trolling MadMacs for bluefin. In my head that meant he wants a 7’6” blank glued into a UniButt making the overall rod roughly 9’ long. Not only is the rod way too fast at 7’6” for trolling, but then you want it extended by almost another 2’? That would be an amazingly difficult rod to fish with. Forget the action of the blank for a minute. If the rod was 9’ long and the fish was coming to gaff…how would you stick the fish? Would the person on the rod have to go to mid-ship and angle the rod back to the stern to get the fish close enough to stick it? Now…add in the very fast (dare I say too fast) action of the blank where it literally is keeping the fish 7’6” away from the boat (in a UniButt, the butt of the blank is positioned above the reel), do you reach out to gaff the fish? Pretty dangerous.

    Now this response is getting pretty long but I believe the BDOutdoors readers like to get the full story so please indulge me.

    So here is the conundrum. DerekDaKid wants this rod built. I believe 100% that it is the wrong blank for what he wants to do. Even if it were to be cut down it wouldn’t be quite right. He still wants it built even though he would be chopping up an otherwise perfect railrod blank. There are other UC blanks that are better suited for less money than the GPX Viper. He was told by the owner of the company (Randy) and the creator of the blank that it would be a good choice. In talking with Randy about this, he said the customer never said he wanted a UniButt rod. Every online fisherman says the blank is the best thing to ever happen to fishing. And then I come along and say it would be a horrible choice. Most keyboard fishermen can’t tell you why…they just insist it is. Well, frankly that’s just not good enough for me.

    I want you all to understand that Randy from UC and I are really really good friends. We have spent years together doing this stuff. My guess is that if we were given the whole scenario from the start, we would probably come up with the same advice nearly every time. When we’re given half the story and have to ask enough questions to get some of the other tidbits of info we’ll probably never come up with the same recommendation. That’s just how it is. In this case, my suggestion was based on the fact that the angler was going to be on a private boat trolling a giant plug a thousand feet behind the boat traveling 15mph trying to get 100lb+ tuna to bite while the rod is in a rod holder screwed into a fiberglass gunwale. A super fast action blank has the potential to tear that rod holder out of the boat when the plug gets tangled in floating kelp, let alone swallowed by a high-speed tuna missle! If you take some of the action/power out of the blank and make it more moderate, at least you begin to add a factor of shock absorption. That’s what you need in this situation. It has never been a question about the blank. It has always been whether it was the right one for the job.

    I chose not to be involved with that build for the simple reason that it just isn’t right. I have actually watched bad things happen to people fishing the wrong gear. I hope that DerekDaKid will agree that we had discussed many of these points. Honestly we may not have discussed all of this but those were the opportunities for him to ask questions of me. As much as I want my business to be successful, I refuse to take someone’s money just because. Money that I know is being spent inappropriately. There are others who will simply build what they’re being TOLD to build. To them I say go for it. Make your money. For me it’s about the principle of it. But that’s not for everyone.
     
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    Hey guys…this is Darin…the 310Rodworks guy. I don’t post here much so when I heard this thread was going on, I thought I better take a look.

    There are a few things that need to be cleared up. I am not saying anyone was wrong here. I just think there are parts to this whole scenario that if discussed, others will benefit from. In this bluefin game, there are a lot of new innovative ideas. We’re all sorting it out. When it comes to issues like what we’re dealing with here, innovation doesn’t always equal better. I hope you agree. In nearly every case, railrods and trolling rods don’t mix. Not saying it can’t be done. I just believe that if you are starting with a fresh canvas and building a trolling rod from scratch, you would want the best possible blank for the application.

    I don’t believe DerekDaKid was trying to directly discredit the advice I was giving him. Nor do I think he was directly calling me out. I think he was given advice from two people who he probably thought were going to be in lock step with one another…and they weren’t. In fact they were totally opposite! That would be confusing. I’m sorry for the confusion. What I always try to do for my customers is to ensure that when that custom, very expensive rod gets wet for the first time, it is exactly what it is intended to be. I ask a lot of questions. I want to know that the person handling the rod is going to be able to effectively use it.

    Here’s the second thing. We discussed this build at length. He didn’t mention that he had already purchased the blank. He said he wanted to use the GPX Viper blank in a UniButt for trolling MadMacs for bluefin. In my head that meant he wants a 7’6” blank glued into a UniButt making the overall rod roughly 9’ long. Not only is the rod way too fast at 7’6” for trolling, but then you want it extended by almost another 2’? That would be an amazingly difficult rod to fish with. Forget the action of the blank for a minute. If the rod was 9’ long and the fish was coming to gaff…how would you stick the fish? Would the person on the rod have to go to mid-ship and angle the rod back to the stern to get the fish close enough to stick it? Now…add in the very fast (dare I say too fast) action of the blank where it literally is keeping the fish 7’6” away from the boat (in a UniButt, the butt of the blank is positioned above the reel), do you reach out to gaff the fish? Pretty dangerous.

    Now this response is getting pretty long but I believe the BDOutdoors readers like to get the full story so please indulge me.

    So here is the conundrum. DerekDaKid wants this rod built. I believe 100% that it is the wrong blank for what he wants to do. Even if it were to be cut down it wouldn’t be quite right. He still wants it built even though he would be chopping up an otherwise perfect railrod blank. There are other UC blanks that are better suited for less money than the GPX Viper. He was told by the owner of the company (Randy) and the creator of the blank that it would be a good choice. In talking with Randy about this, he said the customer never said he wanted a UniButt rod. Every online fisherman says the blank is the best thing to ever happen to fishing. And then I come along and say it would be a horrible choice. Most keyboard fishermen can’t tell you why…they just insist it is. Well, frankly that’s just not good enough for me.

    I want you all to understand that Randy from UC and I are really really good friends. We have spent years together doing this stuff. My guess is that if we were given the whole scenario from the start, we would probably come up with the same advice nearly every time. When we’re given half the story and have to ask enough questions to get some of the other tidbits of info we’ll probably never come up with the same recommendation. That’s just how it is. In this case, my suggestion was based on the fact that the angler was going to be on a private boat trolling a giant plug a thousand feet behind the boat traveling 15mph trying to get 100lb+ tuna to bite while the rod is in a rod holder screwed into a fiberglass gunwale. A super fast action blank has the potential to tear that rod holder out of the boat when the plug gets tangled in floating kelp, let alone swallowed by a high-speed tuna missle! If you take some of the action/power out of the blank and make it more moderate, at least you begin to add a factor of shock absorption. That’s what you need in this situation. It has never been a question about the blank. It has always been whether it was the right one for the job.

    I chose not to be involved with that build for the simple reason that it just isn’t right. I have actually watched bad things happen to people fishing the wrong gear. I hope that DerekDaKid will agree that we had discussed many of these points. Honestly we may not have discussed all of this but those were the opportunities for him to ask questions of me. As much as I want my business to be successful, I refuse to take someone’s money just because. Money that I know is being spent inappropriately. There are others who will simply build what they’re being TOLD to build. To them I say go for it. Make your money. For me it’s about the principle of it. But that’s not for everyone.
    Your honesty and knowledge are appreciated by me, and I'm sure I can speak for many others. Thanks Darin.
     
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    Your honesty and knowledge are appreciated by me, and I'm sure I can speak for many others. Thanks Dar
    Hey guys…this is Darin…the 310Rodworks guy. I don’t post here much so when I heard this thread was going on, I thought I better take a look.

    There are a few things that need to be cleared up. I am not saying anyone was wrong here. I just think there are parts to this whole scenario that if discussed, others will benefit from. In this bluefin game, there are a lot of new innovative ideas. We’re all sorting it out. When it comes to issues like what we’re dealing with here, innovation doesn’t always equal better. I hope you agree. In nearly every case, railrods and trolling rods don’t mix. Not saying it can’t be done. I just believe that if you are starting with a fresh canvas and building a trolling rod from scratch, you would want the best possible blank for the application.

    I don’t believe DerekDaKid was trying to directly discredit the advice I was giving him. Nor do I think he was directly calling me out. I think he was given advice from two people who he probably thought were going to be in lock step with one another…and they weren’t. In fact they were totally opposite! That would be confusing. I’m sorry for the confusion. What I always try to do for my customers is to ensure that when that custom, very expensive rod gets wet for the first time, it is exactly what it is intended to be. I ask a lot of questions. I want to know that the person handling the rod is going to be able to effectively use it.

    Here’s the second thing. We discussed this build at length. He didn’t mention that he had already purchased the blank. He said he wanted to use the GPX Viper blank in a UniButt for trolling MadMacs for bluefin. In my head that meant he wants a 7’6” blank glued into a UniButt making the overall rod roughly 9’ long. Not only is the rod way too fast at 7’6” for trolling, but then you want it extended by almost another 2’? That would be an amazingly difficult rod to fish with. Forget the action of the blank for a minute. If the rod was 9’ long and the fish was coming to gaff…how would you stick the fish? Would the person on the rod have to go to mid-ship and angle the rod back to the stern to get the fish close enough to stick it? Now…add in the very fast (dare I say too fast) action of the blank where it literally is keeping the fish 7’6” away from the boat (in a UniButt, the butt of the blank is positioned above the reel), do you reach out to gaff the fish? Pretty dangerous.

    Now this response is getting pretty long but I believe the BDOutdoors readers like to get the full story so please indulge me.

    So here is the conundrum. DerekDaKid wants this rod built. I believe 100% that it is the wrong blank for what he wants to do. Even if it were to be cut down it wouldn’t be quite right. He still wants it built even though he would be chopping up an otherwise perfect railrod blank. There are other UC blanks that are better suited for less money than the GPX Viper. He was told by the owner of the company (Randy) and the creator of the blank that it would be a good choice. In talking with Randy about this, he said the customer never said he wanted a UniButt rod. Every online fisherman says the blank is the best thing to ever happen to fishing. And then I come along and say it would be a horrible choice. Most keyboard fishermen can’t tell you why…they just insist it is. Well, frankly that’s just not good enough for me.

    I want you all to understand that Randy from UC and I are really really good friends. We have spent years together doing this stuff. My guess is that if we were given the whole scenario from the start, we would probably come up with the same advice nearly every time. When we’re given half the story and have to ask enough questions to get some of the other tidbits of info we’ll probably never come up with the same recommendation. That’s just how it is. In this case, my suggestion was based on the fact that the angler was going to be on a private boat trolling a giant plug a thousand feet behind the boat traveling 15mph trying to get 100lb+ tuna to bite while the rod is in a rod holder screwed into a fiberglass gunwale. A super fast action blank has the potential to tear that rod holder out of the boat when the plug gets tangled in floating kelp, let alone swallowed by a high-speed tuna missle! If you take some of the action/power out of the blank and make it more moderate, at least you begin to add a factor of shock absorption. That’s what you need in this situation. It has never been a question about the blank. It has always been whether it was the right one for the job.

    I chose not to be involved with that build for the simple reason that it just isn’t right. I have actually watched bad things happen to people fishing the wrong gear. I hope that DerekDaKid will agree that we had discussed many of these points. Honestly we may not have discussed all of this but those were the opportunities for him to ask questions of me. As much as I want my business to be successful, I refuse to take someone’s money just because. Money that I know is being spent inappropriately. There are others who will simply build what they’re being TOLD to build. To them I say go for it. Make your money. For me it’s about the principle of it. But that’s not for everyone.
    How do I contact you? I have never purchased a custom rod and am interested now that I read some of this stuff here. I went 20 years on a sears rod reel combo-full mono before my first boat and actual fishing besides the pier for a few. Now- proud owner of one of everything. thx
     
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    Derek, now you understand why many of us have a couple of dozen rods in the garage. I can instantly think of four rods I still have that were ideas that I found someone to bring to life and try out, but then moved on to other options. Madmacs are effective and are the flavor of the season for a while now . . . and in a few years you will be trolling something else, maybe on a downrigger. And your special rod will not be as effective as something else.

    Rod builders are artist/scientists, modern day Da Vinci characters. Always talk calmly with them, they are as skittish as ankle-biter dogs, and never expect to get the same answer from more than two out of five. Great chefs never agree on seasonings.
    Surfboard shapers are of the same breed no two agree nor have the same style but they all eventually find what works for them, thats what fuels innovation!
     
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    I wouldn't touch the line with a gaff (or anything else that isn't perfectly smooth). I have never had any problem grabbing the tip of a 7'6" rod on my boat. In a 45 degree rod holder, the tip is less than 5' above the base (and the base is several inches below the gunnel. I am over 6' and for me it is just not a problem, even with the stiffest rods. But a rod with any flex, even a much shorter person could easily bend the rod down.
    I’ve never had an issue using the gaff to grab the leader. My hooks are also smooth though.

    If long range boats can use a 15ft wooden stick with a metal “Y” on the end to keep lines off the hull and out of the rudder then a gaff hook is just fine.

    Here’s a really blurry pic of me doing just that with a guy in the chair.

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    Personally I applaud Darin for this.
    Early in my career, I went in to a shop for a custom rod, picked the blank, told them my plans.
    They wrapped it, it was a horrible setup for what I was planning to do with it.
    Once I figured out how badly I had screwed up, and that they wrapped it just to get a sale, I migrated over to the OTHER Gardena tackle shop and never set foot in that one again.
    How refreshing to have some honesty! Kudos to Darin!
     
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