Red diamond Rattlesnake.....

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Gil Marlin

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That info on their site is old. C. Ruber has zero take.

We're not talking about collecting or taking them, we're talking about killing them on our property. Please site the code if you know it, stating that you cannot kill a rattler when you feel threatened.
 
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lol, not trying to irritate, just giving the other side. I am an avid outdoorsmen and a herpetologist. I studied red diamonds for 5 years and helped to protect them. It irritates me when people kill them for no reason (see, we all have sides, but I think we can get along). I understand that some people feel threatened by them, and I understand some people want to kill them on their property. "Take" is defined as killing them, regardless of how you see it, but there are risks involved to you and the animal. Sometimes your definition of take is not the same as the Fish and Wildlife Service of Ca...just saying'. There are companies that will remove them and relocate them, or you can learn to do it yourself. The risk is much less than trying to kill the snake. In addition, posting that you have killed protected species is going to fire people up (how do you feel when people keep a black seabags, a short halibut, or overlimit on a species?).
 
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lol, not trying to irritate, just giving the other side. I am an avid outdoorsmen and a herpetologist. I studied red diamonds for 5 years and helped to protect them. It irritates me when people kill them for no reason (see, we all have sides, but I think we can get along). I understand that some people feel threatened by them, and I understand some people want to kill them on their property. "Take" is defined as killing them, regardless of how you see it, but there are risks involved to you and the animal. Sometimes your definition of take is not the same as the Fish and Wildlife Service of Ca...just saying'. There are companies that will remove them and relocate them, or you can learn to do it yourself. The risk is much less than trying to kill the snake. In addition, posting that you have killed protected species is going to fire people up (how do you feel when people keep a black seabags, a short halibut, or overlimit on a species?).


Get over it. They come on my property they are a threat to my animals. Period. Understand?
 
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    It poses a shitload less risk dead than it does trying to play around with it and relocate it,i blow their heads right off with these,
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    Risk averted,lol.
    I have a good friend who is a pro at handling them and like you she thinks they should be relocated vs. killing,she has been bitten twice,Once by a mojave green!Ill argue my way is more efficient and safer
     
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    Jeff Lemm

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    lol, I don't monitor this site - I enjoy it like the rest of you. If I see a protected species killed, I report it, just as I do for people breaking the fishing regs. EZ, do what you want, I feel no need to "get over it"...period. The herpetologist joke is old, btw, but I'm glad you enjoyed it. Have a nice day, guys. Just be careful with those snakes, they can change your life dramatically
     
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    @-EZ

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    lol, critteronitor this site - I enjoy it like the rest of you. If I see a protected species killed, I report it, just as I do for people breaking the fishing regs. EZ, do what you want, I feel no need to "get over it"...period. The herpetologist joke is old, btw, but I'm glad you enjoyed it. Have a nice day, guys. Just be careful with those snakes, they can change your life dramatically

    No worries. I will.

    Understand your position but the risks out weight the gains.

    Welcome to the board.
     
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    Jeff Lemm

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    Thank you, and for the record I can see how people unaccustomed to snake behavior may feel. Take care gents
     
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    lol, not trying to irritate, just giving the other side. I am an avid outdoorsmen and a herpetologist. I studied red diamonds for 5 years and helped to protect them. It irritates me when people kill them for no reason (see, we all have sides, but I think we can get along). I understand that some people feel threatened by them, and I understand some people want to kill them on their property. "Take" is defined as killing them, regardless of how you see it, but there are risks involved to you and the animal. Sometimes your definition of take is not the same as the Fish and Wildlife Service of Ca...just saying'. There are companies that will remove them and relocate them, or you can learn to do it yourself. The risk is much less than trying to kill the snake. In addition, posting that you have killed protected species is going to fire people up (how do you feel when people keep a black seabags, a short halibut, or overlimit on a species?).
    Got any pics of the Black Seabags?
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    Is it like this?
     
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    ?? fisherman

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    No disrespect meant to the herp guy, but I have a very hard time believing that the red rattler is anywhere near being in danger of going extinct, or even needs to be on a protected species list.

    These things are seen big time every year right about now, and you can bet for every one seen there are countless more that go unseen. I'm pretty sure the population of these is very healthy here in Southern Cal.

    That doesn't mean I'm wishing for everyone to go out and kill them for fun, but at the same time, if some are killed on a persons property I don't think it's a huge deal.

    The unknown fisherman:p:
     
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    Jeff Lemm

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    lol, sorry for the mis-type (damn auto-correct), the sea bags was hilarious. Right now I am in the field, so not much fishing action unfortunately (unless you wanna count the stingray that tagged me in Baja last week). I'll be out for some yt and tuna soon I hope. As for reds not being worthy of protection, if you look at their range, it is very small compared to other rattlers. Because they are dense in some areas does not mean they are like that throughout their range. They are also specialists of coastal sage scrub, which as you may know, is one of the most endangered ecosystems in the world. Tight lines, folks
     
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    lol, sorry for the mis-type (damn auto-correct), the sea bags was hilarious. Right now I am in the field, so not much fishing action unfortunately (unless you wanna count the stingray that tagged me in Baja last week). I'll be out for some yt and tuna soon I hope. As for reds not being worthy of protection, if you look at their range, it is very small compared to other rattlers. Because they are dense in some areas does not mean they are like that throughout their range. They are also specialists of coastal sage scrub, which as you may know, is one of the most endangered ecosystems in the world. Tight lines, folks
    I live 30 miles inland at an elevation of almost 1500feet.......
     
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    gecsr1

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    Pretty sure they're protected in Poway, too (and I can't keep a secret)
    Well good for you... if one endangers anyone or my pets in my household it's a gonner...

    And I rightly don't give a flying fuck if you can keep a secret or not...

    Looks like another tree hugger on the forums....or just another asshat...

    Have a great day....
     
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    Jeff Lemm

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    I hear ya ConSea, still coastal sage - it goes to the edge of the desert (so do the reds).
    gecsr1...nice work, lol...and btw, that would be treehugger, fishhugger, snake hugger, etc, lol. Have a good one
     
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    gecsr1

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    I hear ya ConSea, still coastal sage - it goes to the edge of the desert (so do the reds).
    gecsr1...nice work, lol...and btw, that would be treehugger, fishhugger, snake hugger, etc, lol. Have a good one

    Your not gonna make any friends here bud... and most likely get booted...
    and you forgot ASSHAT to all your hugger titles... new member joined today....:rofl::rofl:
     
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    Jeff Lemm

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    No worries, I have plenty of friends....not in need of the variety who are scared of a little snake. And I'm pretty sure I did nothing to get banned other than try to educate people on regulations. You on the other hand have resorted to name-calling, so who would get banned?
     
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    bajaandy

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    Lived in Esco all my life. Built a house in the outback, way up in the hills where the deer and the rattlers play. My father in law is a retired professor of herpetology. The first time he visited my property and heard about the rattlers we have every year, his advice was "Kill any one that you see near the house. Do not risk injury trying to relocate it. There are plenty more out there that the few you kill are not going to affect the population." That's my story and I'm stickin to it. If it's got a tail that buzzes, it's going 'nite-'nite.
     
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    Jeff Lemm

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    That may have been some time ago, things have changed, unfortunately. May I ask who the herpetologist is?
     
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