Re-gearing up, from scratch.

Discussion in 'San Diego Long Range fishing Reports' started by locvetter, Apr 21, 2018.

  1. wahoodad

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    Huh? Either the Mak 20 or 30 is fine for 130.
     
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    I'm back. Today I took possession of the Makaira SEa II's for this trip. As listed above, there are more line holding devices scheduled to come along, but here is a shot of the 5 pretty Blue Makaira SEa II, all gone over and lined by Alan Tani -- with his progressive technicolor panic system: Blue-White-Blue-White-Green-Yellow-Red. 100 yards each. The Penn Senator 16/0 is included just for comparison. It holds the same 1000 of 130 that we have on the 50W. Interesting (or maybe not so) that the 50W has the reel model etched in the opposite direction from all the others - likely because of the top bar.

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  3. RichG

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    Nice. I like the old Penn.
     
  4. Rodless_Jim

    Rodless_Jim I've posted enough I should edit this section

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    I didn't know that Alan felt that way, but I personally agree. You can use the Mak 30 to fish 130lbs, but I think the 50 is much better suited to the purpose.
     
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    Jim,
    Of interest: Now that I have played a bit with the reels, that arrived last week, I note a give/take on the non-click retrieve on these Maks. The free spool is not quite so free. As explained to me, the spring for the new antireverse must be stronger than the little pawl springs. Always trade-offs in life. Now I can attribute my shorter casts with lighter baits to the reel, and not my skill. My understanding is that the SEa lever drags were not designed to be casting reels, but shine when fighting a fish.

    Hopefully, we shall see.
     
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  6. FishRock

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    Loc,

    I don't think the etching on the opposite side has anything to do with the structure. On my trip last year a fellow angler had the same thing with a Mak 20 SEA. From what we could tell it was simply assembled like that. I believe you could just turn the frame around.
     
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    Wow, cool. I will look at that. Doubt I will bother to reverse it even if it looks like I could, because I want the cow coming over the rail to have it right side up, for his/her reading pleasure.
     
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  8. Fishybuzz

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    Why do you say that?....the 30 is merely a wide 20...Do you fish 130# with your 20?
     
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  9. hucklongfin

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    Alan sets his reels at strike to 33% of the line rating. So he's using 45# at strike on his 130# rigs. That's more than a Mak 20/30 can do... or at least more than the 36# at strike they're rated for.
     
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  10. Bill W

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    That 33% really does not apply for 130-150-200#
     
  11. hucklongfin

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    It does according to Alan! I landed a 270# in 20 minutes on one of his rigs with 45# of drag at strike.
    I've noticed on the Excel that they don't want you fishing at 33%. I don't think I ever got to strike fishing 100# with 30# of drag when I caught big YFT.
     
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    So how much drag, Bill?
     
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    How many cows has Alan caught on a San Diego Lone range boat ???? There is IMO a difference fishing a cow from a drifting cruiser or a cruiser that always keeps you in the proper fighting position and only a few other anglers to deal with a s opposed with over 20 other people.

    I know that BillW and Wahoodad have caught many more cows than me and I don't think either of them fish anywhere near 45# of drag at strike no matter what # test the leader is. I could be wrong about that but I don't think so...I have caught no where near as many as either of these guys but I have caught more than my share(20) and there is are reasons I don't fish that kind of drag at strike.....but I have in fact caught several cows on cruisers in Cabo and East Cape back in the day and all were caught in 45 minutes or less....the boat backed down on the fish, always kept the angles correct.... just a whole different experience.....
     
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    I don't think Alan has been on a long range trip other than a bunch of early season 5-days for YT. I agree that his methods aren't particularly appropriate for a large anchored boat with a bunch of other anglers. I caught cows on both trips I had to PV with him and we were drifting, we never followed the fish or maneuvered the boat but it still wasn't like fishing on the Excel.
     
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    Color me ignorant: Does the Excel want you fishing a higher or a lower drag than the the 33%?

    Thanks
     
  16. hucklongfin

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    Lower
     
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    I would adjust your bait setups to the following
    UC Raptor- Mak 16- fish 60-80 lite bait setup the centaur is too heavy to fish 60 in my opinion Randy built that rod to be a true 100 lb rod.
    UC Centaur-Mak 20- fish 80-100
    UC Viper- Mak 20 - Fish 100-130 Perfect cow set up
     
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    IMO the Centar is a 80# stick not a 100# stick
     
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    Rodless_Jim I've posted enough I should edit this section

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    No, I don't, and you're making my point for me. On both the 20 and the 30, max drag at strike (according to Okuma) is 37lbs. I fish 130lb line at 33-34lbs of drag at strike. In my opinion, that is too close to that reel's envelope.

    At the same time, the Mak 50 offers almost 60lbs of drag at strike. To me, that means that 130lbs is right in the 50's wheelhouse.

    Having said that, I know more than a few people who fish 130lbs on the Mak 30, at 30lbs or more of drag, and seem to do very well with it. So I say you can fish 130lbs on that reel. QED! I choose not to, and would advise against it, but that doesn't make me correct. In fact, every time I go fishing, I realize how little I know and how much I still have to learn.

    In the meantime, though, I'll be using 50s and 50Ws to fish 130-200lbs. Yes, Makairas.
     
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    The 16 is strung with 80 JB. the listed 60# topshot I wrote thinking I would maybe have it for back up if we stopped at Alijos on the way down. Will likely change that top to 80 on way to HB or Clarion. Agree, you and consensus has it that the Centaur is an 80 to 100 lb rod.

    Even though I indicated in the first entry of this thread that I intended to be fiscally irresponsible, the rods listed are bought and paid for, and adding a Raptor to a quiver for an 18 day trip - well, maybe when I have recovered a bit from the financial wounds to date.
     
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