Question on tying knot if you have an end loop already

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  1. 125mph

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    So if I have an end loop made through a spectra HC splice on the main line.. and I have a flat fall that the tackle shop attached a flouro leader, crimped and attached to a ring/swivel... what is the best way to tie the main line to this ring/swivel?

    I normally would just cut off the end loop on the spectra line and just tie a SD jam knot... but is it okay to use the end loop and go through the ring and into itself, thus avoiding a knot... or is that bad?
     
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    I don’t see why a bimini’s cats paw wouldn’t work. You could also just tie a doubled San Diego jam.
     
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    Just make sure you grab above your splice when you cinch down the knot otherwise you might end up with one line longer than the other on your double.

     
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    You should be able to just loop onto the swivel, no?
     
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    You could.

    With two legs of spectra to the jig. Slack moment could form a huge loose loop close to the jig. One leg longer then the other line twist

    Imo, The mono/fluoro should be at least the length of the fish

    If it is not at least the length of the fish and the tail beat was whacking the two legs of spectra not sure how good that would be.

    Lots tie spectra straight to the jigs leader though
     
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    Yes, pass the loop through the ring and over the jig.
     
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    Are you familiar with the loop to loop attachment? No difference, same thing to the swivel
     
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    Is one pass good enough? I didnt know about the cats paw, just saw the video, they doing it 6-8 times passing over and over
     
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    Yep I've done loop to loop for windons. Just didn;t know if the swivel ring would cause a problem, because I recall the loop to loop has 2 passes, and with the ring I cant do the 2nd pass.
     
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    One pass go fishing
     
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    I’m not a knot expert but if your using 130 pound test Spectra and you go around once on the swivel , I believe your going to be in pretty good shape. No chance of it coming undone.
     
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    It won't come undone. Kinda kooky though. That's a massive dropper loop especially on the free fall. If another anglers hook snags the loop the hook won't slide up the line. If the other anglers hook gets bit while snagged in the loop. Well

    Party boats :D team effort not to fk the other dude up or be bagled

    Chance I'm overlooking the rigging
     
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    I would loop in a 130 mono wind on for shock and abrasion as ZZZZZ noted...
     
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    So you would still do a mono wind-on even though the jig is attached to a 7 foot flouro leader? And then just tie the mono to the ring?

    Thanks for all the suggestions!
     
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    Yes I would, but if you are joining to the flouro bite leader with a swivel, then I would shorten it to about 3 1/2 ft.
    If its too long and you are in say the stern, you may not get to the swivel without having to lift (not easy on a buggun) at the last moment to gaff.

    The bite leader just needs to be long enough to be completely inhaled without swallowing the connection.

    The mono topshot provides abrasion resistance from contacting the outside of the fish, and provide shock (give) when you have the fish up and down at color.

    Spectra is wonderful stuff, but under tension it does not take much abrasion to part it.

    Good luck. Hope you get your dream fish.
     
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    Had a great conversation with a deckhand on the New Lo-An today.

    He was clear in if you are fishing a short fluorocarbon leader on the jig fish at lest 50yds of mono on the reel or the best option fish a 25' fluorocarbon windon to the jig.

    So - like some others have suggested put a windon on the loop in your spectra and either crimp a swivel to your fluoro leader on your jig or eliminate your leader on the jig and go direct from the windon to the jig.
     
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    What's your recommended fluorocarbon windon line size?
     
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    The deckhand was telling me they prefer 100#. I would think on the jig in the dark you could go up to 200 with no issues.

    Xtra-hard mono would work in the dark as well.
     
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    200# the jig does not need to perform at night like a live fly lined sardine needs to perform in the day

    I would go for wind on to the jig. No leader with no leader hardware. One less connection in the area that receives the most amount of pressure from the fish and body rubbing the line. Extreme pressure is near the fish. Less connections within the fishes body length the better imo.

    From following this phenomenon. It appears more then 50% of the cow jig fish are lost, over all. Kudos to the bad sticks stacking cows. Kite is the winner rigged by the crew and heavy gear. There are endless ways to loose a fish. Some ways are mind blowing in how low the odds are. Like winning the lame lottery

    Learned from big daddy. Momoi diamond is the poor man's fluoro. When sharky

    Uuugh. If I was up there rolling the same as I was. Would easily have over 30 days on the BFT grounds by now this season

    Good luck. The captain knows
     
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    Huh....? Sounds like you got a good batch
     
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