Quest 257 by Four Winns

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My brother and I restored a old Bayliner Trophy 19' and decided we wanted something a little bigger. We sold the trophy and started looking. I found a Quest 257 on craigslist and feel in love with it, the wide beam,nice down stairs and the sloped rear. A guy was selling it for his friends sister. His friend had bought it brand new in 1991 and had passed away and had no wife or family. Before i could come up with the rest of the money he found a buyer.

So my brother and I bought a 34' 1989 scarab SuperSport. well we bit off more than we could chew and kinda lost some steam on the project. Turns out the bigger the boat the bigger you wallet should be, Lesson learned.

A few months go by and i took a trip to Jupiter Florida to visit my sister. EVERY one in Florida has a outboard powered center console and it really got me motivated again.

once back home i pop open craigslist to sale the Scarab and BAM, i see the SAME Quest 257 for sale. This time i had the cash and went and picked it up.

Specs:
Year: 1991
Length: 25′
Engine: Evinrude
Engine Count: Twin
Engine Hours: 400
Drive: OB
Horsepower: 200 Each
Fuel: Gas, 250 gal
Hull Material: Glass
Beam: 9'6"
Trailer: Triple Axle Aluminum, Disc brake
Outriggers: Rupp tournament series

Now the BAD:
Wiring is a mess
Motors were left down in the slip and need a bracket and a lower at minimum
Trim/Tilt motors do not work
needs a new transom door and some some interior liner work
any plastic parts on the deck or helm are cracked
needs new electronics



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As luck would have it both Tirm/Tilt assemblies are corroded thru, as well as one bracket and one lower unit.

I found a free parts motor in Oxnard that has a bad power head and a complete outboard in venture for $700 that is supposed to run. I got both motors and started swamping parts.

I had to get 2 new power packs $180 each on ebay and 6 Pack or carb rebuild kits were around $100 each

I thought my standard rotation lower was bad which was nice since i could only find standard lowers. As luck would have it i got a standard on my parts motor only to find out i needed a Counter rotation. The standard will work for now and the parts motor came with the same pitch prop.

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Both motors run pretty good once installed the new power pack. Rebuilding 12 carbs here i come.
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Holding the motor up to switch out brackets. I wish i would have bought a house with a garage.
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Did i mention i hate working in the dirt.
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Here is some of the wiring i am dealing with. I don't know if i want to clean it up or cut it out and redo it.

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More bad wiring.
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its not my first concern but it looks like she will buff out.
 
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t-runner

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Thanks tanner.s, I thought it was a big project until i looked around on these forums, but it will still be a substantial amount of work to make her a presentable sport fisher.

I would love to repower with some Etec's but it is not in the cards right now.
 
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So i finally got her together enough to test, no accessories, just bilge pumps and gauges. some new seals in the teleflex pump as well.

My goal is to make sure the motors are going to work before i waste money on anything else.

The guy i got her from wanted a smaller tank and took the tank out. i inspected the tank and reinstalled it with a new sender.

The motors were hard to start but once warmed up they ran good. I installed new water pumps and I tried my hand at a link and sink but am not confident in my results.

We took her to lake Perris which is about a 20 min drive for us and makes testing stress free.

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She looks pretty good in the water, once i get her running ill worry about how clean she is.

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My brother at the helm.
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It was a very nice morning to take the boat out 20150907_075346.jpg
 
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I figured the first test would not go very good and as soon as the motors hit the water the tachometers started acting up. One of the temp gauges also went straight to max temp. the motor didnt feel hot but never the less i shut her down. I got the boat on plane for 20 sec before i shut down the one motor and it felt good.

Back home for more work!!


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I got the boat home and went to work. I decided i have had enough with the wiring and started cutting, by by factory wiring.

The one motor had a bad temp sensor so i got two new temp gauges with new sensors. The motors are still hard to start after carb rebuilds, plugs,wires,power packs and a decard so i thought i would seek professional help. I found a review of Advanced Marine Services in Costa Mesa on BloodyDecks, i gave them a call and set a appointment up.

I ordered some new gauges, they do not match but it is what i can spend right now so what ever. I decided to make some new dash panels and remove some gauges, I also wanted to go with the square style switches.

Since i have done more race truck work then boats i decided to do aluminum dash panels. I have since changed my mind and will remake the dash panels from a white plastic.

I am also use to wiring accessories in with weatherpak style connectors. It appears to be standard marine practice to not use connectors and i am not sure why, good or bad, i have no idea but thought i would give it a try.

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Old dash pieces
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This is the battery compartment next to the helm in the center of the boat. under this is the front bilge area, which does not drain to the back bilge. the only access was thru the small round hatch, I decided to install a bigger hatch to give better access. I am going to have dual bilges in every area wanted quick access for times on the water.
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The new hatch for now.
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New bilge pumps with weatherpack connectors for easy trouble shooting and or changing them out.
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The only wiring i left was the motor harnesses, they need to be cleaned up but are not to bad. I have them laying on the wheel so i could wire in connectors to the new gauges. Plug and Play

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Tracing the old dash panel on to some aluminum.
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Starting to make the new harnesses that will plug in to the motor harness.
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The new dash panel (which i will be remaking) ready to plug and play.

Some newer motors with nmea 2000 compatibility would be so nice!!!

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It looks ok but i think some plastic dash's would look more at home.

This is good enough to let Advanced Marine tune the motors, i will get back on it once she runs good
 
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t-runner

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Side note post

Since we got the boat we have been towing it around with my brother f-350 diesel, i needed a truck and wanted one so i could take the boat out without having to barrow his truck.

I saw a old school single cab dually sitting in a field by my house, i asked the guy if he wanted to sale it and $800 later im the owner of a old chitty truck. :rockin: only 112k miles

I brought her home, replaced a fuel pump and was off, or so i thought.

about 100 miles in with my awesome 80's truck and it started back firing thru the carb. I trouble shot the problem and worked my way to the cam. you could see one rocker was barely moving on the number 8 cylinder. i pulled the intake off and sure enough, the #8 lube was gone. I bought a new cam for $100 installed it and was rockin to sweet 80's metal again. ( life rule #267, in a 80's truck you only listen to 80's music).

I night before i was due at advanced Marine in Costa Mesa (70 miles each way) i decided to weld a hitch on the truck, i liked the bumper so much and it is rated for 16k lbs i just welded a receiver to it and added some bracing to the frame behind it.

This was the First time towing the boat with this truck, with never using the hitch and the first trip on the new CAM. What could happen? The truck worked great, it towed awesome and it was a blast.


Side note to the side note: My brother has a 97 f-350 with a 7.3 Diesel and a 5 speed 4x4 which he has fixed up and keeps really clean, about once a day some one will tell him at a stop light or at the gas station how cool his truck is. The guy giving the compliment is usually a young to middle age white guy in a newer truck.

My truck has gotten several compliments but the demographic is quite different. My commentators are usually (im not making this up) the Mexican guys with poor English that work at the tire shop. now im not hating and i love the compliments so i hope they keep them coming.

But once i dropped the boat off in costa mesa, i cruised over by balboa island and a white older guy flagged me down, i thought he was going to tell me to get the F#$% out of his neighborhood as my truck squeaks and smells like it is burning 100 gal per hour of fuel, but no, he just wanted to say how cool my truck was.:cheers:

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My sweet new (old) dually right when i brought her home.
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Notice the top lube is ground down down.

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Some mig welds

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one more shot of the hitch work

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The boat loaded up,

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The trailer is really nice and tows the boat with ease, it even stops it too.

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Life Rule #1, "if you wan to enjoy something, your significant other should probably enjoy it too."

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So once at Advanced Marine Services in Costa Mesa, they started tuning the motors up. He started with the Starboard side, did a link and sync and checked the timing. he Said he had to make a few adjustments but it was close and the motor fired right up(i took them because they were hard to start).

As it turns out i was not starting them correctly. You have to prime the bulb and turn the key to the on but not the start position, hold the key in for 8 seconds (i was only hitting the key for 1 second) and then fire them up with 20% throttle and back it down as soon as they fire. I felt like an idiot but were happy they were good.

The Port Motor was another story, once he fired it up he saw it was leaking form the front bottom of the motor. i had noticed it but thought, " who cares i have a unlimited supply of water", WRONG. he said, if i remember correctly, the exhaust riser was cracked and once i started running at throttle it would over heat.

He suggested getting a used motor as all the bolts were corroded and it would probably be a nightmare to take the power head off and swap the exhaust riser. He said he would do it but the labor would probably be more than a used motor.

I was really bummed and he only charged me to tune the one motor even though he had messed with the other motor a little.

Time to Swap motors, luckily i had picked up a spare.
 
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Once home i pulled my tools out and made a make shift work area in my drive way, this way i didnt have to work in the dirt.

I pulled the spare motor out and wanted to fire it up before going thru the hassle of swapping them out. I was also concerned that the motor i had was a 1996 and they wiring harness and wiring colors were different.

i built a quick stand out of some old 2x6s and bolted the motor to it. I noticed the controls i had for the used motor matched mine, the guy i got it off of had bought a adapter to us his old controls with the newer style motor. so it would plug and play. The motors compression is lower than i would like at 86 psi but it ran and i decided to go for it.

I backed the boat in and started removing the motor before bed. To my surprise it only took about an hour or 2 to get the motor off.

Putting the new one on was just as easy. it took roughly 1 hour to bolt up and plug the harness in, it took another hour or 2 to go thru some of the trim tilt wiring. I had to put the Trim/tilt and lower back on the newer motor.

Please note the white motor "whitey" is a 200hp motor, i checked the carb Dia.

here is a link to a video of me starting the motor on the home made death trap stand, take notice of my tent city work area. I need to build a dam shop.

Here is a video of both motors running in a tank.

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the spare motor just waiting for me in my back container.

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Heavy lifting made easy

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Backing her in with a clean driveway.

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All this work was done after work and after my 2 hour commute home. I have been working hard to get this thing on the water. At this point i have put in a lot of hours with the only return being a redneck ass boat with different looking motors.


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The newer motor on.

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The newer motor all buttoned up. The newer style cowlings are way nicer and the built in port for flushing the motor is awesome.

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I call the starboard motor "Smoky" and the Port motor "whitey"

Both running in a tank and ready to lake test again. once i was told how to start these motors they fire up every time and right away.
 
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t-runner

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On a windy Friday my brother and i went to lake perris CA again. The water was pretty choppy for a lake, which is nothing for the ocean.

The boat launched awesome and the motors started right up. I was scared the idle was going to be low but in gear they are at 650 rpm.

The boat jumped right on plane and handled perfect. Both motors have Standard rotation lowers and i thought the boat would list heavily to one side, it did not.

with both motors at 4100 rpm we were at 33 mph, the newer motor "whitey" did not want to rev past 4100 rpm, i thought perhaps the throttle was not adjusted correctly but it was. Maybe this is do to the low compression?

The other motor would rev to 5200 rpm, increasing the speed 40 mph.

Another interesting point is the old motor "Smokey" will plane the boat on its own. "whitey" can not get the boat on plane by its self. "Smokey" has 105-110 psi, a much healthier motor, leading me to believe the other motor is just too weak.


The boat does not back up easily, i am not sure if that is do to the lowers or just the design of the hull.

i might have Advanced Marine look at whitey and give him a tune up. maybe there is a reason it does not want to rev over 4100 rpm? Now that i have the old motor off the boat, it wont hurt to switch out the power head with another spare midsection, exhaust riser i picked up for free. Or maybe if i can at least get some fishing hours on her this season i can buy newer Etec's next season.

a few videos

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Lake Perris has a rather steep launch ramp. I felt more comfortable using the 4x4 Diesel.

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Smoke brake at the launch ramp.

i mixed a little heavy and currently using the cheap oil, i was informed to only use XD100, once this gas is gone, i will make the switch.

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It felt so good to finally have the boat under its own power.

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tanner.s

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Shit, that's a lot of engine swapping. Looks like a repower of some kind is in your future

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XD 100 oil is used mainly on E-tec engines (Expensive oil) I would use the XD 30 on those motors
 
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t-runner

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Shit, that's a lot of engine swapping. Looks like a repower of some kind is in your future

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Hopefully I can get these motors to last a season or two, then I will repower with used evinrude or yamahas, or new suzukis.

And I knew you guys would know the best oil to use, thanks. That is probably what advanced marine told me to but I got them mixed up.
 
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t-runner

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Nice boat. You close to temecula i am almost finished with my boat.

Thanks, I hope I can make it nicer, and hopefully it rides better then the 19 bayliner.

I am in cherry valley ca, about an hour from Temecula, I use to work off of remington and winchester over thre.
 
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Nice you ever in temecula? Be cool to buddy boat some time findthose tuna. I just have a 18ft gregor sea hawk do you think i need a rpm mph tach or any tachs at all?
 
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t-runner

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if you get a GPS your speed and distance will be on that. figure out your burn rate and you will good to go. If your outboard is a remote setup then i would get a tachometer.

I will be down for some buddy boating once i now my boat is sea worth. LOL
 
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so we took the boat out fathers day. we went out of Newport, i did not put the finishing touches on the wiring but put the essential items in.

i originally wanted to go to 14 mile bank but the water was a little rougher then i would have liked for the first trip. we headed up around the platforms and did a little fishing. we only caught some small bait fish and the trip really was just to get the boat out. it handled as good as i thought it would and we had a blast.

once we got back the harbor the port Motor "whitey" died. there were alot of boats so we headed to the docks to trouble shut it. As luck would have the motor is seized. I have not dug in to it yet to see why but the temp was fine the whole time, it is premixed 50/1 and no alarms went off.

So back to the drawing board. but i have a few options.

Options
A. i have a good power head with a bad riser, swap that on the motor i just blew
B. Find another used motor ( i found one for $1500 in SD)
C. Let the whole boat season for another few years
D. Cancel my wedding, in turn she will leave me and i can just buy two new motors





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That is my outrigger in the rod holder. I have to get under the bridge before i can put it in on.

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i really wanted to clean this up


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re painted and ready to clean up


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i went with a bus bar to the motors, the battery switch feed power to the buss bars


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this is one battery bank of two battery's, (one battery is not installed yet.) I will put another battery bank on the right, for a total of 4 batteries. Everything is powered off of the buss bars.

i need to get more pics.
 
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Go with option D.....less expensive and in another 10 years you can upgrade to a newer model :)

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Trayscool

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Go on ebay or thehulltruth.com and find some used Yamahas to put on there. OX66 fuel injected or if you have enough cash some used 4 strokes.

There are a ton of good used motor options you can find. I would stop right now messing around with old ass evinrudes.
 
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