Popping Setup Advice Needed

Shewillbemine

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I have a Shimano Saragosa 8000 paired with a Shimano Terez TZS 78H rod.

It has 65 lb braid backing and a topshot of 40 lb mono.

Holy crap it didn't cast my poppers well.

The heaviest thing I had tied on was a Beito Original 135 (not a popper, I know) and it only performed marginally well.

I was using the 5.5 inch Halco Roosta. I realize they make much bigger poppers but we were trying to emulate microbait (without going so micro on the lure).

Will switching to full braid make a big difference or is this setup just too much for what I'm throwing? I'm willing to sell it and start over but not sure if it's a doable setup for what I'm throwing.

Thanks.
 

lougio

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What kind of tip on the Terez? You want a stiff tip for poppers. Popping rods can be pretty pricey. The Okuma PCH has a nice tip for popping. It's a nice rod too and not too expensive. A real winner if you ask me.
 

Shewillbemine

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What kind of tip on the Terez? You want a stiff tip for poppers. Popping rods can be pretty pricey. The Okuma PCH has a nice tip for popping. It's a nice rod too and not too expensive. A real winner if you ask me.
The Terez is a Heavy Power with Medium Fast Action.
 

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I've had a Terez in the past with a 10k Gosa. Just not the right rod for distance casting or even popping...my opinion only. Going straight braid may get you more distance but you're taking a big risk of getting sliced off if you dont hook the BFT perfectly. My popping setup currently is Black Hole CC Nano with a 10k Gosa. 65 pound braid but add a 3-5 foot leader (so the knot isn't going through the eye holes while casting) of 30-60 pound for whatever conditions.
 
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heman

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how long is your topshot? and what knot are you using for braid-topshot?
Just wondering if maybe the knot or something is catching or slowing down ?

I typically have a braid with a short mono about 3/4 the rod, my knot typically few inches from the tip guide.
 
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Shewillbemine

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I've had a Terez in the past with a 10k Gosa. Just not the right rod for distance casting or even popping...my opinion only. Going straight braid may get you more distance but you're taking a big risk of getting sliced off if you dont hook the BFT perfectly. My popping setup currently is Black Hole CC Nano with a 10k Gosa. 65 pound braid but add a 3-5 foot leader (so the knot isn't going through the eye holes while casting) of 30-60 pound for whatever conditions.
I'm currently looking at the Black Hole setups and seeing if they would be a better fit for me.

how long is your topshot? and what knot are you using for braid-topshot?
Just wondering if maybe the knot or something is catching or slowing down ?

I typically have a braid with a short mono about 3/4 the rod, my knot typically few inches from the tip guide.
My topshot might be close to 100 yards so there's no knot going through the guides at all.
 

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Way too much top shot for the 8k and 40# . If you had say 15-20# on the 8k you could have that much mono. If you want to fish that much mono at 40# you'll need a bigger spool size reel
 

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For poppers I use a leader, not a top shot. The knot is outside the tip with the popper down by the reel. With 65# spectra try an 80# leader... no reason to go with a light leader.

My gosa 10k is on a Black Hole Challenger Bank s-801h.
 

Shewillbemine

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Way too much top shot for the 8k and 40# . If you had say 15-20# on the 8k you could have that much mono. If you want to fish that much mono at 40# you'll need a bigger spool size reel
For poppers I use a leader, not a top shot. The knot is outside the tip with the popper down by the reel. With 65# spectra try an 80# leader... no reason to go with a light leader.

My gosa 10k is on a Black Hole Challenger Bank s-801h.
Thanks for the feedback.

Do either of you think going to straight braid with just a tiny top shot do the trick? Or is the setup still too stiff and heavy to throw the smaller poppers?
 

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I'm currently looking at the Black Hole setups and seeing if they would be a better fit for me.



My topshot might be close to 100 yards so there's no knot going through the guides at all.
Maybe fish straight spectra to a four foot 60 lb fluoro leader.
 
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heman

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For poppers I use a leader, not a top shot. The knot is outside the tip with the popper down by the reel. With 65# spectra try an 80# leader... no reason to go with a light leader.

My gosa 10k is on a Black Hole Challenger Bank s-801h.
Samsies on leader and knot location... +1 on that BH Challenger Bank S801H and 65# spectra. I'm using 60# mono right now though.

Thanks for the feedback.

Do either of you think going to straight braid with just a tiny top shot do the trick? Or is the setup still too stiff and heavy to throw the smaller poppers?
I'm partial to one Halco 135mm in Yellowin (call me superstitious)...
its 5.25" and 49g weight. Not the heaviest thing, but I can get pretty good distance on my setup with it. Haven't thrown anything smaller than that.
 
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Samsies on leader and knot location... +1 on that BH Challenger Bank S801H and 65# spectra. I'm using 60# mono right now though.



I'm partial to one Halco 135mm in Yellowin (call me superstitious)...
its 5.25" and 49g weight. Not the heaviest thing, but I can get pretty good distance on my setup with it. Haven't thrown anything smaller than that.
Nothing scientific but we thought the tuna in a foamer were damaging our mono. Knots wouldn't tie, line broke while casting, felt frayed, etc.... 60 lb fluoro can be expensive but the J-fluoro can be more affordable.

60 is out of stock but it was in stock recently. https://discounttackle.com/products/daiwa-j-fluoro-fluorocarbon-leader?variant=30469762809911
 
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Shewillbemine

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Great advice here fellas. I'm researching those Black Hole outfits and shopping around.
 

lougio

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There's a nice setup in the classifieds.

 
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For poppers I use a leader, not a top shot. The knot is outside the tip with the popper down by the reel. With 65# spectra try an 80# leader... no reason to go with a light leader.

My gosa 10k is on a Black Hole Challenger Bank s-801h.
Exactly this!
I have the exact same setup and love it! Light enough to cast all day but powerful enough to land this medium size tuna
 
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For casting spinners, I limit the top shot to 1.5-2.0 times the rod length. Allows for adequate shock absorption and is easy on the index finger for the cast. The heavier mono once outside the tip adds to the weight of the lure to pull out the lighter braid for distance. Works great for lines and knots up to 20lb top shots.

For anything above 20lb, the knot connection through the guides is an issue given the size of the knot. Hitting the tip ring on the way out reduced distance; never found any tied knot that didn't hit on the way out. Never liked the knot outside the tip config--didn't have enough shock absorption to my preference.

Two seasons ago, I switched to solid/hollow core connection/mono (two rod lengths) config, and I haven't looked backed since. Using the Gary Teraoka nub/nail knot system; here is the nail knot "locked" to nub variant I used for 100lb:
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There is no discernible "hitting" as it goes out the guides and tip. Haven't had one fail yet.

The one disadvantage is the few number of reties on the mono tag end after removing any fraying near the hook before the top shot becomes too short. Can easily re-splice to hollow core while sitting in the galley at a table, but certainly not during a hot bite.
 
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DOGHOUSE26

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Great advice here fellas. I'm researching those Black Hole outfits and shopping around.
I've searched for the BH 86N can't find it anywhere; ended up with a Shimano Ocea 8'8"

By the way to the OP - get rid of the topshot go straight with braid and an 18-24" 80-100# mono leader above the popper.
 
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Shewillbemine

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Guys, I'm thinking of buying the Okuma Hawaiian Custom Popping Rod in lieu of the Black Hole Magic Eye Rod.

At half the price, the Okuma might just fill my need for a popping rod that can throw very light lures but without committing yet to the more expensive rods.
 

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For anything above 20lb, the knot connection through the guides is an issue given the size of the knot. Hitting the tip ring on the way out reduced distance; never found any tied knot that didn't hit on the way out. Never liked the knot outside the tip config--didn't have enough shock absorption to my preference.
I used/using wind-on for popping using Hollow Ace method and it works. Learned FG and PR for solid braid and works better without too much effort than wind-ons. I make the PRs on land and FGs on the boat when retie is needed using rod and reel method. PR is the smoothest casting connection for me. Leader length is just outside the line roller and parallel with the rod without the coil that slaps the rod when the leader is coiled on the spool.

All 3 methods will give you warning when reeling at night that the swivel is near because of the felt bump when the connection passes the top guide.

Back on topic:

For popping rods, Japanese made are really top notch specific to your target species. GT, YT and Tuna have different actions rods. Using pencils is another thing with different tip action which is softer than tuna popping rod. It really needs a heavy popper/big cup to properly utilize the stiff GT popping rods. If money is not an issue, try Japanese made rods or at least Japanese brand made somewhere except China. China made Japanese brands are for entry level only. Good enough if you're just trying it out.
 
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