Please explain the logic behind this one

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  1. skipjackrobert

    skipjackrobert I've posted enough I should edit this section

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    sounds like far left folks to me..
     
  2. One_Leg

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    Those Bastards!
     
  3. Azarkon

    Azarkon I've posted enough I should edit this section

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    You're not wrong, but keep in mind that there are only so many party boats and so many trips a year, while open access commercial fishing is, well, open access - any one can buy a commercial license and go set up a long line on their boats. This includes the sport boat captains. We can reliably predict that there won't be a sudden flood of new party boats due to changing regulations. The same is not the case for open access commercial fishing, because that has to do with markets and profits.

    Industrial fishing can devastate a resource much faster than the sport fishing can. That's always been the case and it's why it's dangerous for recreational fishing to share quotas with commercial fishing.
     
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  4. InDeepShip

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    Still that's one hell of a stringer
     
  5. fishkilr

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    Kinda like this... IMG_0028.JPG
     
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  6. InDeepShip

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    Dam only if I didn't have to buy a Comercial license I'd come and just pull on fish all day long.
     
  7. fishkilr

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    That was on the 1/2 day redondo special..
     
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    What processing can/must be done on the water?

    Alternate(fork) lengths, whole skins or 1" patch, yadda yadda yadda?

    Different rules for international fleet versus American fishers?
     
  9. el Toro

    el Toro I've posted enough I should edit this section

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    Yes. Exactly. You got fooled like everyone else, myself included. Our lawmakers ran with the 75f mark and no one cared, cause no one fishes that deep. Then the law went thru and buried in the BS, yet now the key component, was this idea of the 75f “contour line”. That’s what matters, you can’t fish outside that line, regardless of the depth. So yes, the 9 in US waters is closed. See the DFG website now. We got buffalo’d. Big time.
     
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    Yes, the depth changes are much less significant than people think, but the contour lines were the law even before this. In practice, nobody followed them exactly and I doubt even the fish and game officers enforced them that way. It just makes it easier for them to prove you were fishing in illegal depth.

    But I agree, it sucks that none of the off shore banks except for Tanner and Cortes are opened back up. 75 fathoms near shore is not going to do shit. Only two locations I can think of are going to change because of it. The cow area changes are bigger, but that's beyond the range of most private boats.
     
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    You clearly don't know what is required.... VMS, observer coverage, etc.. Not to mention meeting CG requirements for commercial fishing vessels (which most sportboats would not). Most commercial fishers care far more about the resource than your average recreational angler, and the recreational take of most rockfish species far exceeds that of the commercial sector!
     
  12. Azarkon

    Azarkon I've posted enough I should edit this section

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    That's called over head. Exists in every business. The bottom line is that it's an open access fishery and so there's no legal upper limit on the amount of people who can do it, it's pure economics and where there's profit to be made, there's people who'll jump on it.

    I don't doubt that's the case for the current commercial community. But changing regulations could change that as it brings in more people motivated by short term profit. I've seen enough of the "I've got mine, so screw everyone else" attitude in fishing to know it can happen. That's why I don't like the current management option of sharing quotas between sport and commercial.
     
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    Azarkon,
    Your more of a moron than Bentrod Ben. What is your obsession with 'open access'? If it's such an issue with you why do you go sportfishing ? What do you think that is. Anybody can go and get a CPFV license for a boat and carry passengers for hire if they have the proper Coast Guard license and the boat passes. Anybody can go buy a sweet new Parker and go catch three limits of fish with a multiday declaration. That's open access my friend. You have no clue what your talking about. Not that you asked but I'm going to give you my two cents worth on open access. Personally, I've been against open access for years. The fishery managers cannot get a handle on effort because of it for both commercial and sportfishing. I don't fish under open access and my operation is based on a 'limited entry Federal Permit' that I was issued from my historical participation in groundfisheries. There is no "short term profit' here. I've been doing this probably longer than you are old because I can only assume that amount of arrogance and ignorance would be from a youngin'.
    Over and out.
     
  14. Azarkon

    Azarkon I've posted enough I should edit this section

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    What's the difference? This is the difference: sport fishing isn't for profit. CPFV is for profit, but their numbers are well-known and demand isn't going to increase just because "more depth." Commercial fishing is for profit. We spend our money to fish; you get money from fishing. That's the single most important difference.

    And far more arrogance is coming from your camp than ours. I honestly don't have a problem with the current commercial ground fish fleet, but the management by the Pacific council. If you're limited entry, all power to you. But I'm not looking forward to a revival of long line fleets along the southern coast. The way this whole issue has been framed by the media - ie "this will lead to a new era for local sea food" - is going to lead to a disaster if mismanaged, and I'm of the firm belief that our ocean cannot sustain industrial scale fishing. Sorry, but that's just the way it is, and I've been very consistent about my views over the years.
     
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  15. fishkilr

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    He's been known as a fountain of misinformation for a long time...
     
  16. Azarkon

    Azarkon I've posted enough I should edit this section

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    Point out where's the misinformation.
     
  17. squidiot

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    Azarkon must be a democratic socialist. I bet he supports Alexandria Ocasio Cortez. Good for him!
     
  18. Azarkon

    Azarkon I've posted enough I should edit this section

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    Don't have to be a socialist to realize the difference between "make money" and "cost money." I spend up to $200 a trip. "Open access" just means I can choose to lose even more money, faster. I don't think that's what it means for commercial guys. Do you disagree?
     
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    Dude.......I have no idea what your babbling about. Let's just leave it at your right, I'm wrong and I'm good with it.
     
  20. charliecat

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    Not to keep this going, but just wanted to mention that lings and reds are 'open access'.. All the other rockfish are 'limited entry' meaning the amount of permits is finite, and split into deep and shallow categories with different species allowed between them. VERY expensive permits. The quotas and poundage allowed to be landed are controlled and change annually.
    It's not like any 'open access' Joe Schmo can buy a comm license and just go catch as many rockfish as they want all year and sell them, while everyone else waits for the sport season.
    Sport guys can catch all the different species (except cowcod, yelloweye etc), 10 fish a day (plus ling(s)) every day of the season.
    Watch Freelance take 90 poor souls to the same 3 tiny rock piles at Catalina and scrape every fish off them, EVERY DAY of the season..
    Just hoping to educate those who were wondering how it works, iwith my limited knowledge of how this stuff works.
    Best of luck and be safe.
     
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