Please explain the logic behind this one

Discussion in 'Fishing Chit Chat' started by benrd81, Feb 24, 2019.

  1. hotrail20

    hotrail20 Intrepid 200 LB Club

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    You must be a commercial ass to get so Defensive
     
  2. asdffish

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    Are you saying we can't fish the 72 fathom areas on the "9" in US waters?
     
  3. squidiot

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    Yup!!! That's me. I'm a commercial ass. 2017-02-15 13.56.23.jpg
     
  4. KID CREOLE

    KID CREOLE I've posted enough I should edit this section

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    Do any of you know the actual rockfish laws for commercial fishing?
     
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  5. yellowklr

    yellowklr My Best Catch!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    Simple answer......because it's California......Grew up in SD love to visit but dare I say the politics there are well _________....fill in the blank.
     
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    Nice haul, guess putting a ton of hooks and baits on the ocean floor and using a winch makes you a badass. Here lies the problem, we recreational and commercial fisherman view each other as competitors instead of coming together to come up with a real solution.
     
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    Everything else aside seeing those what look to be reds floating there made me a little woosie. I wonder if we have enough tempura batter, better check.
     
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    :supergay:
     
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    I'd like to know what the seasons are for commercial rock fishing compared to recreational. Also bag limits. I think the California constitution states that the natural resources including those in it's coastal waters belong to ALL Californians!
    Not just commercial fishermen. Much of their catch is sold out of the state and in some cases like lobster almost ALL is sold to go to other countries like Japan. I would like to see them operate under the same seasons as recreational fishermen and if quotas are nearly reached then the restrictions should be put on them first. Sportfishing generates far more money for the state and its residents than commercial does. The money spent on catching each sport caught fish is astronomical. Many times more than each fish caught commercially. All that money (boat payment, interest, gas, bait, insurance, repair, electronics, motels, on and on) is spent in California. I would think that should give us a leg up in the process of "who gets what"!
     
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  11. Paddyman1

    Paddyman1 I love pangas

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    Ask (squ)idiot.
     
  12. Azarkon

    Azarkon I've posted enough I should edit this section

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    The simple answer is, there are quotas on various species, and they are divided. First between the trawl fleet and the no trawl fleet, and then between commercial and recreational. Also, Indian tribes and research quotas, but they're not as significant in southern California

    Recreational quota comes out of the no trawl quota. Rules are set so as to not violate the quota. Our quota on certain species is like 10% of the actual catch. On other species, it's much larger. Rock fish is divided into multiple categories so there's no short answer, which is probably why he hasn't decided to be helpful.
     
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  13. aznboy619

    aznboy619 Not a Newbie

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    Here is something you guys can compare to the how much recreational guys catches. Possibly commercial catch is a lot smaller as there are other type of fish that can help them earn more or less. There are a lot of data out there I could divulge but I wont due to respect to my fellow commercial guys.

    https://reports.psmfc.org/recfin/f?p=601:1:1252910093053::NO:::

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  14. Azarkon

    Azarkon I've posted enough I should edit this section

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    Thanks, but I think what most people are wondering is not the catch, but the regulations for commercial rock fishing for shelf rock fish. Most of the species recreational guys target in Southern California are shelf rock fish, though the limits often end up being bottle necked by other species like yellow eye, which end up as by catch. Commercial trips are divided between limited and open access licenses, and what people don't want to see happening is a bunch of commercial fleets going out and using up the quota, since as far as we know, there isn't a specific recreational allocation for shelf rock fish ie https://www.westcoast.fisheries.noa...sc_ea/2019-20-gf-spex-ea-compliance-guide.pdf

    It's my personal understanding that shelf rock fishing in Southern California isn't very profitable due to all the restrictions, so most of the commercial fishing take place in Central and Northern management areas. With quotas increased, however, people have a right to worry as seasons can be shut down early when quotas are exceeded; plus regulations changed.
     
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  15. Donkey Nick

    Donkey Nick Well-Known "Member"

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    LOL

    Bragging rights...but not for long. Thank you for the nice Photo of your (not for long) "honey hole" with the island beautifully framed in the background. Some of the internet sleuths on this board will have the GPS waypoints published in no time.

    Even the rookie Sporty Boat captains know how to use Photoshop...
     
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  16. yellowklr

    yellowklr My Best Catch!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    data you won't divulge....LOL yeah that helps your cause
     
  17. charliecat

    charliecat on a fishin' mission

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    Make sure no one ever eats/buys seafood at a restaurant, market, taco stand, catered banquet, tapas bar, school lunch, airline dinner, boardwalk, happyhour, again, then we can sport fish all day and night!
    Or just be sure to eat talapia grown in sewer ponds and farmed shrimp from the Philippines and keep any fishing jobs and 100's of years of fishing heritage out of this country!
    A lot easier to 'swallow' when it's not in your backyard, right?
     
  18. charliecat

    charliecat on a fishin' mission

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    I'm not trying to stir the pot here, and get into an keyboard battle, but I just want everyone to think about this a bit. These guys making a living catching fish within a federal and state mandated quota- x amount of pounds every 2 months, 5 x's a year, adjusted each year to meet scientific studies of sustainable numbers. Sportfish boats can take 40-90 people every day and take limits the entire season. They don't stop when they have 500 lbs of gophers or cabezon... it goes until the season ends... And we all know puker boat patrons are not satisfied unless the get limits. Every day. And throw back a floating trail of small fish because they want 'the big ones', while the commercial live guys often can get a better rate for small- medium sized fish per market demand.
    Just saying.
    But I am glad people are paying attention and are concerned about the welfare and future of our resources. Let's all get accurate info and do what we can to protect and manage these fish the best we can so our grandkids can catch/release/photogragh/deep fry them as much as we have.
     
  19. InDeepShip

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    Thank you for not raping the bottom of the ocean with a trawler. Also if that spot is at the CI that's one hell of a spot.
     
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    Guys on the water more days than not have areas in heavily fished zones that can produce amazing results...
     

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