Planning 1.5 day out of SD Sunday 15 Feb

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  1. fisherman11

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    My first trip longer than overnight.

    The boat plans to go to the Tanner / Cortez Bank. What are some options for websites for weather predictions, etc.; before I lay down the cash? I think if I cancel I do get a credit. I know it's a risk this time of year in general because of weather.

    I'm planning to bring:
    1. short stick, Torium 16, #50 braid mainline, topshot #40 mono, for yo yo jigging
    2. long rod, Shimano TLD 20, w/#40 mono, for live bait.
    Any suggestions for changing the above?

    Thanks!
     
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    If youre going to colonett you're good, if the boat is going to tanner you want to bring a 20# outfit with flouro and small hooks
     
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    Go to NOAA marine forecast
    theres a weather buoy on Tanner

    Chris Dunn usually puts up a WX report on here as well but I haven't seen it in a while.

    as far as tackle…

    Check some more reports, Im thinking you need a 20 fluoro, 25 fluoro, and 40 pound stick. With some 15 pound fluoro if they are really line shy, and small hooks.

    I doubt if you will be yo-yoing much, its scratch fishing. light line, small hooks, perfect bait, a good cast and take your time…

    If you can't cast a small bait try a small rubber core
     
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    Thanks for the help. Do you mean I need three rods? 20, 25, and 40 lb setups? and how long for the fluoro leader (I assume you mean fluoro leader, not longer topshot). Also, what is a rubber core? I appreciate the info.
     
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    CaptJgray I've posted enough I should edit this section

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    Well I just talked to a buddy who got 4 bluefin on the Iron yesterday…

    He had 4 bait fish as well on 25, he said a few guys got bit on 30 but he had more bites on 25 and some guys hooked a few more than him with 20, after his 4th bait fish he switched to the jig, less bonito

    He said the yellows were all bait fish
     
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    just saw your reply

    Yes 3 rods

    i fish very short top shots, I keep my connection outside my guides, about a 5-6 foot piece spliced onto the spectra. Its a personal preference thing. I feel the less a connection ticks on the guides while your casting the better the bait will survive. a rubber fore is a sinker with a rubber core.
     
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    That is awesome! I'd love to catch a bluefin. So, for his bluefish on irons, do you know if he was using surface irons (I can't cast well), or yo yo jigging? I might borrow a 20 or 25 lb. setup, either with braid and a topshot of mono, or just straight mono.
     
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    Braid to fluoro = RP Knot? That is what I usually tie for braid to mono topshot, then triple surgeons for mono topshot to fluoro. I like those knots outside the guides too.
    I have some chrome torpedo sinkers I got for another trip for live bait. What size rubber cores do you recommend? Thanks.
     
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    Thanks for the report.
     
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    I don't use any mono
    RP knot to braid
    1/2-3/4 ounce rubber core
    just enough to help you cast a bait
    Bluefin were caught on blue and chrome Tady 9 single hook with a glow back. He said the flat fall was working for a couple of guys as well.

    the least amount of topshot you have the easier it is for your bait to swim.
     
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    Has anyone been on the Eclipse for the 1.5 day trip scheduled to go to the Tanner / Cortez Bank? Boat load is only 28.

    Thanks.
     
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    What is "flat fall"? Just drop it over and let it sink? Same lure for that? I have a TADY 4/0 blue chrome with a huge single hook, I'll pick up a couple more. Boat sold out but got another spot leaving Monday night on the Aztec. Thanks for the advice.
     
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    Flat fall is referring to the Shimano Butterfly Flat Fall jig.
     
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    20 lb floro, tied to about 50 Yds of 20 or 25 lb mono top shot. A lot of people will fish 15 but I personally do not have the patience/skill for it. Bring 15 (if you dare) 20 and 25 lb floro, 1/0 circle hooks and #1, 2, and 4 j-hooks. Start with 25 lb floro and 1/0 circle hook. If the fish are line shy drop to 20 lb and #2 J hook. Smaller hook means you need to back off your drag a little to avoid pulling the hook. If you absolutely can't get a bite, drop to 15 and #4 hook.

    The circle hook is preferred if you can get bit because it will avoid gut-hooking the fish and eliminate the possibility of the fish chewing you off. Also, circle hooks typically avoid pull-outs better than j hooks so you can fish a little more drag on them if you are using 25 lb.

    Bring 3 at least outfits to avoid re-tying during the bite.

    If you want rubber core sinkers, just ask at the landing tackle shop. These are removable weights and work well if the fish are a little deeper. If the fish are really deep, hook a 2 or 3 oz torpedo on your line with a rubber band.

    Good luck out there!!
     
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    kuyamonster I only wishes to catch some fishes...

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    I use these colors for Shimano FF jig: Black anchovy, sardine, and sand eel. All in 130G...Have fun on your trip! :beerbang:
     
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    I really appreciate the advice! I've only got two reels and two rods right now.

    Reels:
    1. Torium 16 (6.2:1; main load of 50# braid)
    2. Shimano Triton TLD 20 lever drag (I think it's loaded with 40# mono)
    Rods:
    1. Okuma Makaira (9' rated 15 - 30#)
    2. Okuma Catalina (5' 6", rated 30 - 50#)
    I thought I'd mount the Torium 16 on the Makaira, go with your advice and have Turner's spool on 50 yds 20# mono, and I have 20# fluoro.

    Question: Can I just cut off the hook and tie iron right on the fluoro for yo yo jigging? or casting (which I'm not good at)?

    I'll put the TLD 20 on the short stick with 25# fluoro

    Question: I bought some Trokar Lazer hooks (TK14 - 1/0 Octopus) at Fred Hall last year - they look a bit thin; are you familiar with them? and are they too thin? I can bring them and ask on the boat, too.
    Will pick up some of those too. If not at Turners, then at Seaforth. Thanks.
     
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    Thanks for the advice. I am bringing some iron, but am primarily set up for baitfish: Turner's was a little short on hooks, but they set me up with a 25# rig w/ 1/0 ringed flyliner hook, and a 20# rig with #2 offshore ringed hook. I'll see if Seaforth has any red hooks. I only have 2 worthy rigs, so this will have to do. I got some 1/2 oz. and 3/4 oz. rubber core weights, and I have some torpedo sinkers as well.
    If it switches to casting iron, the 25# rig is a short rod with a Shimano TLD, 3.6:1 ratio, so not good for casting, or (I imagine) yo yo jigging. The 20# rig is a great casting rod, with a Torium 16, 6.3:1 ratio, so I might give that a shot, may even have to yo yo jig with that long rod. I need to buy more rods and reels.
    Thanks to everyone who gave me advice.
     
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    I don't like fishing octopus hooks for tuna--too thin IMO. Try gamagatsu ringed live bait for J hooks. I also like the owner ringed mutu circle hooks. The gamagatsu circle hooks are a little lighter gauge (maybe better for finicky fish) but definitely strong enough too. I tie Palomar knots for the hooks and seaguar knot for the floro to mono, though there are many others that work. Those are just the simplest and are strong.

    Regarding the question about the iron, don't fish it with 20 lb. given you only have 2 setups, if you absolutely want one for yo yo iron, make it the short stick/larger reel and put 40 or 50 lb on there. Otherwise just commit to bait for both or take your chances fishing iron on 25 lb.

    Hope that helps! I wish I were going fishing instead of talking about it on BD!!
     
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    Sounds like you are set up pretty well! Also, no need to cast the yoyo very far, so use the short rod with a little heavier line if you try it. Good luck!
     

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