Phenix Rods??? I was told there made in China?

Discussion in 'Fishing Chit Chat' started by bmuoio, Mar 8, 2014.

  1. I have been a die hard fisherman all my life! At one point traveled everywhere to pull on huge fish! 150 days a year.
    I always used all graphite Calstar rods.
    Then thanks to the economy I had to let go of my boat! And decided to hang it up till I could raise my kids and afford another boat one day and start again.
    Well I defiantly never lost my passion for fishing, And was able to get 1/5th the boat I had to let go but it sparked my love for fishing right where I left off!
    Though in 6 years allot has changed in the way of gear!!!
    I couldn't believe how far the Shimano, Diawa and Avet reels have gone!
    But still saw the same Calstar graphite's and in the same color. Well I was able to buy a few Shimano Talica 2 speed and decided on a few Phenix rods that I was recommended by the man at the shop.
    I liked there style and seemed like pretty good rods with lots of back bone!
    Then when I asked my buddy that I consider my guru of fishing as well as he still fishes all over the world and is very well known in the industry. I asked him what he thought about my Phenix rods.
    He answered No good! And there made in China!
    Said only Calstar and Seeker are the way to go if I buy a over the counter ready made rod...
    Well that bummed me out but some time my buddy seems to exaggerate.
    I have looked on BD to see what everyone says about them but haven't found much?
    Any input Guy's?
    Thanks!
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  2. gved823

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    Same happened to me. I'm gonna go back to Calstar but saw the Cousins rods at FHS. They're made in HB. All American except the guides
     
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    gnehekul I've posted enough I should edit this section

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    They make some awesome rods and yes they are made in china. I can't afford one but I'll get one soon or later
     
  4. sueno

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    Buy USA stuff!! CalStar all the way! I kiss my rod after I gaff my fish every time!
     
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    I have both calstar (700xL/L/M/MH) and and seeker rods and but the last two i purchased were Phenix. They kick ass and i would highly recommend them. I would never say anything bad about Calstar or Seeker i just like the feel and bend of the 8 foot phenix rods.
     
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    I am all for buying USA made products. That is one of the first things I consider. But it is hard do deny that phenix makes some bad ass products. As far as your friend saying "no good", besides quality control letting some rods out that had crooked guides, they are some of the highest quality rods out there!! I mostly own calstar and seeker but my next one might be a phenix?
     
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    Before you buy a Phoenix rod go talk to a few real fisherman who work on sport boats or better yet talk to a few rod repair guys and you will hear a ear full. I was on the fence to get one then I went down to M& M rods and saw a few Being fixed and asked about them. I'm sticking to cal star
     
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    i personally stick to seeker and calstar. but just because phenix is made in china doesn't in itself mean they suck.
     
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    Phenix makes an outstanding rod! I have sold most of my Calstars, and all of my Seekers, but this is not to say that they are weak or bad rods. But when it comes to taking my best rods, they are most likely to be a Phenix. ALso, I still kept my Batson sticks, you can not be beat them at their price points. ALso, if you want a stick that just does not break, get a Calstar. One of the rods you do not hear much about are Jaws, of which, I have several and are also outstanding rods ( in fact, they really help me catch fish ) because they help with my back, easy to use and great blanks. I really have nothing bad to say about any brand of rods, BUT for now, Phenix is my go to rods. Then again, I still fish my GUSAs when inshore fishing. I guess it really depends on what works for you. You have a great selection of rods to select from, your choice) but always pull on the rod before you buy!. Good luck and who says you can have too many rods?
     
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    The Batson and Jaws you speak of are made in China. Me personally, I prefer to buy American made when possible, so Kudos to anyone that supports our economy. One of the gripes about Cal star and Seeker is that they have not embraced the "nanotechnology" of some of the imports. United Composites/Gusa were the exceptions for US made salt water rods. I don't know much about Cousins.

    One of the reasons American companies have been slow to embrace the newer technology is due to the high cost of tooling. Importers like Phoenix, Batson and Jaws essentially spec or buy blanks from Chinese (State subsidised) companies. The Chicom government is heavily involved in supporting their manufacturers while the US and most local governments seem to be doing everything possible to make life difficult for American manufacturers.

    The Chinese blank manufactures have essentially stolen most of their blank manufacturing technology from the US and Japan. I doubt you will find many Chinese workers or blank manufacturer executives that are passionate about sport fishing or have ever even fished with a rod and reel. If you walk onto the Seeker or Calstar manufacturing floor, I think you would find a group of people that are passionate about fishing and have used their own products.
     
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    State subsidized fishing pole makers? Uhhh okay. The commies are more capitalist than we are apparently.

    You think we don't subsidize plenty of things? Comon gm? Banks?
     
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    I agree, Just because something is made in China doesnt mean its crap, but i wasnt aware phenix was spec'd out to Offshore manufacturers. Nothing against China, but if I have a choice between two rods with nearly the same action, strength, and price point, and 1 is from an offshore manufacturer and the other is from a US manufacturer who has been serving the fishing community with excellent product warranty and customer service for decades...thats who I'm buying from.
     
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    Basically there are eight major economic drivers of the China price.
    China’s manufacturing competitive advantage. Lower labor costs account for 39% of the China price advantage. A highly efficient form of production known as “industrial network clustering,” together with catalytic foreign direct investment, add another 16% and 3%, respectively. The remainder of the China price advantage is driven by elements challenged as unfair trade practices by foreign competitors. These include export subsides, which account for 17% of the advantage, an undervalued currency (11%), counterfeiting and piracy (9%), and lax environmental and worker health and safety regulatory regimes (5%).

    There is plenty of information on the web and a great book written some years ago called "The Pending China Wars".

    Every dollar you send from this country to China only makes them stronger and us weaker.
     
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  14. Wow! Never thought this thread would turn out so interesting! With that said I will keep my 2 I bought and will go back to US made! I'm sure they'll work fine. But after all this food for thought I have to say I agree with supporting our economy 1st and foremost.
    Thanks guys for the great input!!!
     
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    I'll bet Phenix is quite proffitable. After all, they are charging about the same prices as comparable Calstar and Seekers and benefiting from the economies of Chineese manufacturing. If I buy Chineese products, I expect to pay less - there is a place for both USA and Chineese made for me.
     
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    Buy American! Like Talicas! Oh wait...
    Please, if you are going to harp on people, at least be consistent. At least with reels the comparable donestic product is much closer and sometimes better than the overseas product. You don't even have to pull on a phenix to know its different than any comparable calstar or seeker (not better or worse, just drastically different).
     
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    Some of the Phenix are nice rods that don't really have an equal made by Calstar or Seeker yet. You can basically buy a Phenix blank made by the same factory in China for about $40 ea. as long as you buy 100 or more. Look at alibaba.com (a Chinese gov't website to promote exports). Alibaba.com is bigger than Ebay and Amazon put together.
     
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    well I think some of the problem is in the innovation of these rods. I love my graphiters and super seekers and wont trade them for anything, however there is now a growing market for lighter and smaller diameter. Phenix has this market all to themselves with no g usa or united composites to represent. If calstar or seeker stepped up with a high modulus graphite blank with high end components, they would fly off the shelves!
     
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    I lke Calstar and Seeker but the Phenixes are very different. I'm not particularly concerned that they're made overseas. That ship sailed years ago... Where are your clothes, electronics and pretty much everything else made? Pretty silly to attempt to draw the line at fishing rods at this point especially when there is no domestic equivalent.
     
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    i will buy japan made(older shimano)over china made but America is number 1
     
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