Penn Slammer 3 Review

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I never understood the point of getting a spheros or gosa 8k as it is literally a 10k with less line capacity. I didn't keep mine because certain plastic pieces broke and I wasn't in the mood for fighting to find the right parts from Shimano.

The gears of the Slammer 6500HS should fit in a standard slammer, but Tunanorth will be able to give you a concrete answer.

Oops... yes, the original Battle was all metal... says so right on the box in my closet. I also have a Saragosa 6k, not an 8k. Good thing I have an ophthalmologist appt scheduled!

I have a Stradic 4k, Saragosa 6k, Battle 6k (size of an 8k Shimano), Saragosa 10k, Twin Power 14k and a Makaira 20k.
 
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    Oops... yes, the original Battle was all metal... says so right on the box in my closet. I also have a Saragosa 6k, not an 8k. Good thing I have an ophthalmologist appt scheduled!

    I have a Stradic 4k, Saragosa 6k, Battle 6k (size of an 8k Shimano), Saragosa 10k, Twin Power 14k and a Makaira 20k.
    No all battles have metal. Only the feirce has plastic.
     
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    I've posted before:

    From Alan hawk.com... he's not a fan of the Twin Power.

    1) More than a few readers have asked why Shimano's second reel, Twin Power SW, has never appeared on my lists. While in theory it's the "second reel", the Twin Power SW has always been a completely different reel to the Stella, and in reality it is much closer to mid range Shimanos than it is to the flagship reel. The Twin Power SW has the "budget" housing with a plastic gearbox attached to a metal frame, a completely different anti-reverse clutch, no back up anti-reverse, no floating shaft, and bearings are missing from vital locations just to name a few of the severe downgrades. This is a completely different situation to the 2011 Catalina which shares virtually all the premium features of the 2010 Saltiga . The 2015 Twin Power SW is practically a Saragosa SW with a metal rotor for much more money. Actually the Saragosa SW (and Spheros SW) are by design internally stronger and require less maintenance than the Twin Power SW. In short, the Twin Power SW belongs in the same basket of redundant overpriced reels as the Sustain FG, and you have better alternatives to these two in the Stradic FJ, Spheros SW, and Saragosa SW, the three of which maintain well deserved places on my top lists.

    I said I only have the Twin Power 14k to get the 53" per crank on the retrieve!
    The new Saragosa 14k and 18k will have aluminum rotors but only 41" per crank.
     
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    I've posted before:

    From Alan hawk.com... he's not a fan of the Twin Power.

    1) More than a few readers have asked why Shimano's second reel, Twin Power SW, has never appeared on my lists. While in theory it's the "second reel", the Twin Power SW has always been a completely different reel to the Stella, and in reality it is much closer to mid range Shimanos than it is to the flagship reel. The Twin Power SW has the "budget" housing with a plastic gearbox attached to a metal frame, a completely different anti-reverse clutch, no back up anti-reverse, no floating shaft, and bearings are missing from vital locations just to name a few of the severe downgrades. This is a completely different situation to the 2011 Catalina which shares virtually all the premium features of the 2010 Saltiga . The 2015 Twin Power SW is practically a Saragosa SW with a metal rotor for much more money. Actually the Saragosa SW (and Spheros SW) are by design internally stronger and require less maintenance than the Twin Power SW. In short, the Twin Power SW belongs in the same basket of redundant overpriced reels as the Sustain FG, and you have better alternatives to these two in the Stradic FJ, Spheros SW, and Saragosa SW, the three of which maintain well deserved places on my top lists.

    I said I only have the Twin Power 14k to get the 53" per crank on the retrieve!
    Pretty disappointing... I was just reading that. On Shimanos website it says it has a Hagane body made of Metal though. In the review that he mentioned the twin power it looked like the Japanese ones. I am not sure. Of it's a metal body that is actually pretty good but plastic in a $600 reel is unacceptable!
    This is the Twin Power he has in that post.
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    Not the US Version it looks like.

    This is what the Hagane feature on Shimanos website says
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    The frame and stem are one piece of aluminum. Hagane is Shimano marketing for metal... it may be cast or machined or cold forged.


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    This is the body structure of the vast majority of Shimano's reels. It comprises a plastic gearbox (blue arrow), attached via screws to a metal chassis (red arrow). The way this construction is described is usually intentionally confusing, with references to a metal frame or a metal body without a mention of the plastic gearbox, which gives the wrong impression to the reader that it's an all metal body. The Stella comes with a full metal body indeed, but below it most reels have this plastic gearbox design, including the very expensive TwinPower SW. It's a way to keep costs down, and though you can feel some flexing under certain amounts of pressure, it collectively works fine and does the job.
     
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    The frame and stem are one piece of aluminum. Hagane is Shimano marketing for metal... it may be cast or machined or cold forged.


    45.jpg


    This is the body structure of the vast majority of Shimano's reels. It comprises a plastic gearbox (blue arrow), attached via screws to a metal chassis (red arrow). The way this construction is described is usually intentionally confusing, with references to a metal frame or a metal body without a mention of the plastic gearbox, which gives the wrong impression to the reader that it's an all metal body. The Stella comes with a full metal body indeed, but below it most reels have this plastic gearbox design, including the very expensive TwinPower SW. It's a way to keep costs down, and though you can feel some flexing under certain amounts of pressure, it collectively works fine and does the job.
    That's why I like the slammer so much, it litteraly has better quality than the twin power. I might still grab the twin power, if not I'll just sell a bunch of gear I don't use and buy a Stella or saltiga 2020.
     
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    The drag on the slammer is much much stronger than the Slammers.... My Slammers drag locks up as fast as a stella almost. I don't think the Saragosa in the equivalent size is able to lock up at all. Let's compare drags
    Gosa 5k = 22lbs drag
    S3 4.5k = 30lbs

    Gosa 6k = 22lbs
    S3 5.5k = 40lbs

    Gosa 8k = 28lbs
    S3 5.5k = 40lbs

    Gosa 10k = 33lbs
    S3 6500 = 40lbs

    Gosa 20k = 44lbs
    S3 8.5k? = 50lbs

    Gosa 25k = 44lbs
    S3 9.5k = 60.

    Where you get the idea that either are even close to the Slammers drag?

    And with the oscillation gear that's not an actual problem, unless you don't like the noise. I don't have that problem with mine.



    Wow, flashback!
    It is interesting that a lot of people quote the original observation from Scooby's channel [not sure who he was actually quoting], but not many post the response.
    I recall getting that from the engineering dept. a couple of years ago, thanks for finding it!
     
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    " most reels have this plastic gearbox design, including the very expensive TwinPower SW. It's a way to keep costs down, and though you can feel some flexing under certain amounts of pressure, it collectively works fine and does the job."

    I don't sweat it. The YT and YFT I've been catching don't stress it. I might start being concerned if I get a 100#er on the line but then I'll be more worried about staying in the boat.
     
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    Wow, flashback!
    It is interesting that a lot of people quote the original observation from Scooby's channel [not sure who he was actually quoting[, but not many post the response.
    I recall getting that from the engineering dept. a couple of years ago, thanks for finding it!
    No problem
    " most reels have this plastic gearbox design, including the very expensive TwinPower SW. It's a way to keep costs down, and though you can feel some flexing under certain amounts of pressure, it collectively works fine and does the job."

    I don't sweat it. The YT and YFT I've been catching don't stress it. I might start being concerned if I get a 100#er on the line but then I'll be more worried about staying in the boat.
    I was actually kinda hoping to use this for up to 100lb bft. 😂
     
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    You'll be on a PB or charter boat? How tall are you and how much do you weigh?
     
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    Remember, you really can't use the rail with a spinner and with the high rail and small stature fighting a good fish on a spinner will be "interesting" to say the least. I'm 6'4" and have an easier time but still don't like getting pinned to the rail on the Excel. On a PB it's easier as they have lower gunnels and worst case can follow the fish.
     
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    Remember, you really can't use the rail with a spinner and with the high rail and small stature fighting a good fish on a spinner will be "interesting" to say the least. I'm 6'4" and have an easier time but still don't like getting pinned to the rail on the Excel. On a PB it's easier as they have lower gunnels and worst case can follow the fish.
    Yup.
     
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    After discussing the stuff about the Shimano twin power with a plastic gear box and everything I think the only reel in Shimanos lineup that can compare to the slammer 3 is the Stella... If you want a bullet-proof beast of a spinning reel get the slammer.. it will last longer than nearly every other reel in the market.
    In my opinion with for Slammer vs Saragosa stuff this is what I recommend.. get both. For your bigger reels for large poppers after big fish get Slammers, for your lighter reel you wanna use longer get a Saragosa. The slammer WILL hold up better than a Saragosa. I would probably get a Saragosa 5-14k. The new ones should be pretty good. Nothing against Saragosas accept there rotars and gearbox because it could be better.
     
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    Ya know, that's like saying the Fathom is junk and you should get an Avet because the Avet has a stronger machined frame over the Fathoms cast frame even though the Fathom has much better internals. In one of the videos you posted the reviewer found a corroded bearing in the Slammer where water had gotten past one of the seals. The Slammer may be structurally stronger than the Saragosa (hard to say without destructive testing) but saying it will hold up better is a long stretch. Over the long haul you'll probably be able to get parts for the Slammer longer than you will for the Saragosa! Shimano is known for dropping support for reels a couple of years after a new version comes out.

    They're both good reels (Slammer and Saragosa) and you can fish either with confidence!
     
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    Ya know, that's like saying the Fathom is junk and you should get an Avet because the Avet has a stronger machined frame over the Fathoms cast frame even though the Fathom has much better internals. In one of the videos you posted the reviewer found a corroded bearing in the Slammer where water had gotten past one of the seals. The Slammer may be structurally stronger than the Saragosa (hard to say without destructive testing) but saying it will hold up better is a long stretch. Over the long haul you'll probably be able to get parts for the Slammer longer than you will for the Saragosa! Shimano is known for dropping support for reels a couple of years after a new version comes out.

    They're both good reels (Slammer and Saragosa) and you can fish either with confidence!
    I already talked to a rep about the reels, parts should be available for another 5-7 years for the old gosas. Your right, there both good reels. I just prefer Slammers in the larger classes 6500+ for the all metal body, sideplate, and rotar. I do prefer the feel of the gosas though, that's a big reason I like the smaller sizes.
     
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    Yes and it's my dedicated popping reel. It's going on my 10 day next month on a Black Hole 86n. I may take the Saragosa 8k too for throwing stick baits at schoolies... lots of fun! Shimano is coming out with a Saragosa 14k soon... it'll be nice not to have to pay through the nose just to get that high speed retrieve.

    I notice the Slammer 6500 comes in a high speed model. It gets 6" more per crank but I don't like the red! I wonder if you can put the high speed gears in the standard model?
    I got a Phenix Megalodon 800h, I remember hearing this and thought the slammer would not be ideal for poppers but... I took it out yesterday with some 150g Poppers and gave it a few casts. I don't see the lower gear ratio haveing any problems, it actually feels very nice. After about 15 casts I have to take a break though because it puts a lot of work on my arms. The Megalodons tip is stiff enough to work the popper, and when you pull on this rod it feels insane! It feels like it can stop anything it hooks. I talked to my friend Wyatt today about both (he fished Slammers, Stella's, Saragosas, and twin powers) he said out the best is the Stella but the penn slammer is better than everything else. This guy is not sponsored either, if he doesn't like something he will say it. I remember him getting in trouble with Phenix for telling people Phenix breaks more than everything else..
    Got the slammer spooled with 280 yrds of 80lb Maxquarto.
     
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    The standard 6500 gets 42" per crank which is an 2" more than a Saragosa 10k and I've caught a lot of fish popping with the 'gosa. It's just more work getting 40" per crank than with 50" per crank. With a slower cadence the slower reel isn't a problem. If you want to go pop, pop, pop it's better with a faster reel. If you go pop, pause, pop, pause, pop then there's no issue. Either way there's no effect on fighting the fish since you aren't going to be cranking the fish in anyway.
     
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    Ya know, that's like saying the Fathom is junk and you should get an Avet because the Avet has a stronger machined frame over the Fathoms cast frame even though the Fathom has much better internals. In one of the videos you posted the reviewer found a corroded bearing in the Slammer where water had gotten past one of the seals. The Slammer may be structurally stronger than the Saragosa (hard to say without destructive testing) but saying it will hold up better is a long stretch. Over the long haul you'll probably be able to get parts for the Slammer longer than you will for the Saragosa! Shimano is known for dropping support for reels a couple of years after a new version comes out.

    They're both good reels (Slammer and Saragosa) and you can fish either with confidence!

    Comparing an Avet to Fathom is not a good comparison, both are still entirely metal.

    A better comparison would be a Fathom to a Squall.

    Corrosion and water intrusion are possible on any reel especially when you consider that rubber seals break down and wear out. Just because a Slammer had a bearing corrode means nothing.

    The rubber seals on a Spheros and Gosa have a limited life span with the end result being water intrusion. Now that the previous generation is discontinued, good luck getting replacement seals.
     
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    I got a Phenix Megalodon 800h, I remember hearing this and thought the slammer would not be ideal for poppers but... I took it out yesterday with some 150g Poppers and gave it a few casts. I don't see the lower gear ratio haveing any problems, it actually feels very nice. After about 15 casts I have to take a break though because it puts a lot of work on my arms. The Megalodons tip is stiff enough to work the popper, and when you pull on this rod it feels insane! It feels like it can stop anything it hooks. I talked to my friend Wyatt today about both (he fished Slammers, Stella's, Saragosas, and twin powers) he said out the best is the Stella but the penn slammer is better than everything else. This guy is not sponsored either, if he doesn't like something he will say it. I remember him getting in trouble with Phenix for telling people Phenix breaks more than everything else..
    Got the slammer spooled with 280 yrds of 80lb Maxquarto.

    Penn gets their retrieve speeds based on the average of the retrieve with a full spool and an empty spool.

    For example, my Slammer 8500lll has a stated 42ipt, but on a spool filled up completely you are going to be getting closer to 46ipt.
     
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    At 29:00 in the video, Tackle Advisors also mentions the knocking that occurs when the spool reaches the changes direction during the oscillation cycle. I have this knock on my 6500 and it is super annoying!! Penn, please offer an O-ring retrofit!!! I don't want to have to open it up to pack more grease.

    FWIW, the reason I chose the S3 was size. The frame and body of the S3 looked/felt more compact to me than an equivalent size Saragosa. But... there's a new 'gosa coming to town so if I was looking for a new spinner, I'm not so sure I'd buy the S3 again.
    According to tackle advisors he actually said the new Saragosas may be watered down. This might be because Shimano is loosing a lot of money for the twin powers because of the Saragosas. It's not guaranteed but it sounds about right..
     
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