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Apparently there are a fair number of anglers who simply loosen their drag up to replicate a "Live-Liner" type reel.
When they get a bite, they tighten up the drag and set the hook.
It is true that if you do this style, the Slammer III drag may not get loose enough for you.

I do that quite a bit actually. 2lbs matters very little to large flathead and large channel catfish.

I suppose if you do not have your rod secured (like on fishing piers) 2lbs of drag can cost you your rod and reel.
 
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It's really not, I don't have a problem but I hear from tackle advisors is "could" be.

Yeah, that thought, I believe, was sparked by an inquiry from a novice fw catfish angler wondering if a Slammer 6500 was the right size and a good option for trophy blue and flathead catfish.

Personally, the Clash 6000 is one of the best options for that duty price wise as you still get an all metal reel with brass gearing. The Slammer 6500lll for that kind of fishing is icing on the cake though.
 
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I’m more concerned with effective rather than maximum drag. Max drag on a spinner is measured, for marketing purposes, with a nearly empty spool!

Why would you be concerned about 2# of drag on a 6500 size reel? It’s more of an offshore size. I’ve never wanted to use 2# in the ocean or even freshwater unless I’m trout fishing. My inshore spinner is a Stradic 4000 and even it’s often over kill For the 3 b’s. I’ve seen plenty of 2500 spinners at Catalina and they do just fine but then I’ve caught YFT on 10 day trips on a Curado 300 and YT, YFT, Dorado and Wahoo with a Lexa 400 on 5 & 10 days too... and a tonnage of YT at Cedros.

I don’t get why you’re so concerned with the rotor material. You can’t grind on a fish with a spinner, you have to pump and wind. There shouldn’t be a lot of pressure on the rotor!

Have you heard the expression “never trust sponsored advice”? Paid shills aren’t objective! I’m sure those Nomad guys would rather be using Saltiga or Stellas but they’re providing loaner reels that don’t see maintenance For months... and Daiwa/Shimano aren’t paying them to use their gear! If you go on one of their trips and bring your own Stella 8k/14k/18k they won’t tell you that you should’ve got a Slammer!

A Chevy, poorly maintained would probably hold up better than an equivalently maintained Mercedes, Porsche, BMW, Ferrari or even a Honda Civic type R. I don’t know about you, uh can you drive yet? But I’d rather drive any of those over a Chevy... non Corvette!

I hate to break it to you, but the rotor on a spinning reel actually takes a lot of stress and pressure.

Maybe you can explain why Diawa ditched Ziaon as the material used to make the rotors on the Saltigas in favor of metal for 2020.

Better yet, why does Shimano feel the need to make the rotors on Stellas out of metal?

Could it be the pressure?


Btw, I will take the Chevy, better yet just give me a Ford.
 
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    I hate to break it to you, but the rotor on a spinning reel actually takes a lot of stress and pressure.

    Maybe you can explain why Diawa ditched Ziaon as the material used to make the rotors on the Saltigas in favor of metal for 2020.

    Better yet, why does Shimano feel the need to make the rotors on Stellas out of metal?

    Could it be the pressure?


    Btw, I will take the Chevy, better yet just give me a Ford.
    I had a Graphite rotar explode on me before due to high pressure. That's right, notice how all of Shimanos reels with drag settings above 40lbs have Aluminum rotars. When line is gushing out of a reel at 20lbs of drag what is the first thing it has to cross, the rotar. I would rather fish confident with a reel that is sturdy enough to handle any drag setting without being worried it's ganna break under all the stress and flexing.
    I’m more concerned with effective rather than maximum drag. Max drag on a spinner is measured, for marketing purposes, with a nearly empty spool!

    Why would you be concerned about 2# of drag on a 6500 size reel? It’s more of an offshore size. I’ve never wanted to use 2# in the ocean or even freshwater unless I’m trout fishing. My inshore spinner is a Stradic 4000 and even it’s often over kill For the 3 b’s. I’ve seen plenty of 2500 spinners at Catalina and they do just fine but then I’ve caught YFT on 10 day trips on a Curado 300 and YT, YFT, Dorado and Wahoo with a Lexa 400 on 5 & 10 days too... and a tonnage of YT at Cedros.

    I don’t get why you’re so concerned with the rotor material. You can’t grind on a fish with a spinner, you have to pump and wind. There shouldn’t be a lot of pressure on the rotor!

    Have you heard the expression “never trust sponsored advice”? Paid shills aren’t objective! I’m sure those Nomad guys would rather be using Saltiga or Stellas but they’re providing loaner reels that don’t see maintenance For months... and Daiwa/Shimano aren’t paying them to use their gear! If you go on one of their trips and bring your own Stella 8k/14k/18k they won’t tell you that you should’ve got a Slammer!

    A Chevy, poorly maintained would probably hold up better than an equivalently maintained Mercedes, Porsche, BMW, Ferrari or even a Honda Civic type R. I don’t know about you, uh can you drive yet? But I’d rather drive any of those over a Chevy... non Corvette!
    When your fishing a spinning reel the rotar is the only thing taking all the force other than the rod, especially when you have a reel that generates more than 20lbs. Sure it would be better to fish a Stella, if it wasn't then that would be pretty sad that Penn is able to bring there $300 reel against a $1000+ reel. I'm not sure why your so against this post but all I'm saying is that the Slammers are very good reels, for the price. Sure the nomad guys are sponsored by Penn but I don't doubt the Slammers were holding up to everything they claimed, they didn't say "Slammers are better than Saltigas and Stella's" they just said that the Slammers were far ahead of everything else in terms of durability.
     
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    pros: stronger drag on gosa/spheros...(plastic rotor gosa 25k is not a problem)
    (by REEFMAN, HS6500) Reeling this reel is fairly smooth, but stiff with noticeable resistance - this is due to the many rubber seals
    1º PROBLEM:The pinion rubs against the metal of the frame...not bearing or plastic bushing!!!
    ....with oscillating gear: when the slider reaches the end of it's excursion, the rubber O-ring cushions the metal on metal contact.

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    pros: stronger drag on gosa/spheros...(plastic rotor gosa 25k is not a problem)
    (by REEFMAN, HS6500) Reeling this reel is fairly smooth, but stiff with noticeable resistance - this is due to the many rubber seals
    1º PROBLEM:The pinion rubs against the metal of the frame...not bearing or plastic bushing!!!
    ....with oscillating gear: when the slider reaches the end of it's excursion, the rubber O-ring cushions the metal on metal contact.

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    The drag on the slammer is much much stronger than the Slammers.... My Slammers drag locks up as fast as a stella almost. I don't think the Saragosa in the equivalent size is able to lock up at all. Let's compare drags
    Gosa 5k = 22lbs drag
    S3 4.5k = 30lbs

    Gosa 6k = 22lbs
    S3 5.5k = 40lbs

    Gosa 8k = 28lbs
    S3 5.5k = 40lbs

    Gosa 10k = 33lbs
    S3 6500 = 40lbs

    Gosa 20k = 44lbs
    S3 8.5k? = 50lbs

    Gosa 25k = 44lbs
    S3 9.5k = 60.

    Where you get the idea that either are even close to the Slammers drag?

    And with the oscillation gear that's not an actual problem, unless you don't like the noise. I don't have that problem with mine.
     
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    pros: stronger drag on gosa/spheros...(plastic rotor gosa 25k is not a problem)
    (by REEFMAN, HS6500) Reeling this reel is fairly smooth, but stiff with noticeable resistance - this is due to the many rubber seals
    1º PROBLEM:The pinion rubs against the metal of the frame...not bearing or plastic bushing!!!
    ....with oscillating gear: when the slider reaches the end of it's excursion, the rubber O-ring cushions the metal on metal contact.

    View attachment 1184494

    What you are trying to point out as a fault with the Slammer is not a fault and is not an issue either.

    Yeah, keep telling yourself that the plastic on the Sphergosas is awesome.

    If I had to chose between a reel made with a bunch of plastic and a reel built out of metal I will chose the reel with metal.

    The best part is I will still be using the all metal reel long down the road. I can not say the the same for the high priced throw aways that Shimano puts out.
     
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    What you are trying to point out as a fault with the Slammer is not a fault and is not an issue either.

    Yeah, keep telling yourself that the plastic on the Sphergosas is awesome.

    If I had to chose between a reel made with a bunch of plastic and a reel built out of metal I will chose the reel with metal.

    The best part is I will still be using the all metal reel long down the road. I can not say the the same for the high priced throw aways that Shimano puts out.
    Keep in mind these guys have most likely not fished a slammer... I bet they had the choice of slammer or gosa and chose gosa, because of this they wanna feel better about there choice by shaming features on the other reel..
     
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    pros: stronger drag on gosa/spheros...(plastic rotor gosa 25k is not a problem)
    (by REEFMAN, HS6500) Reeling this reel is fairly smooth, but stiff with noticeable resistance - this is due to the many rubber seals
    1º PROBLEM:The pinion rubs against the metal of the frame...not bearing or plastic bushing!!!
    ....with oscillating gear: when the slider reaches the end of it's excursion, the rubber O-ring cushions the metal on metal contact.

    View attachment 1184494
    The Saragosa has both plastic rotar and sideplate, going with graphite in a reel reduces overall strength and increases flex. You will find cheap gear material too in these kinds of reels. Of course Shimano has to support the pinion because there using plastic in the reel and it will require more to keep the reel running under heavy loads, because Penn used a entire metal body there is no need for the added support and having the pinion will increase the cranking under high pressure without damaging bearings or o-rings in the way. I sent a screenshot already explaining exactly why they did this but I'm explaining why Shimano had to support there's in the first place.
     
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    Time for your Latin lesson of the day... Et tu fishy... and you too fishy! Just pointing out that you were being hypocritical.

    Have you actually fished your new Slammer? You've spent this thead bagging on other reels 'cuz ya wanna feel better about your choice!

    I've caught 30# YT and YFT on a Battle 6000... a plastic reel 3 tiers below the Slammer. It did fine! I have no idea why it didn't explode what with a plastic body, sideplate and rotor. I must just live right. I must say that a 30# YT is much tougher than a 30# YFT! Much tougher than the Wahoo I got on the Makaira 20k.
     
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    Time for your Latin lesson of the day... Et tu fishy... and you too fishy! Just pointing out that you were being hypocritical.

    Have you actually fished your new Slammer? You've spent this thead bagging on other reels 'cuz ya wanna feel better about your choice!

    I've caught 30# YT and YFT on a Battle 6000... a plastic reel 3 tiers below the Slammer. It did fine! I have no idea why it didn't explode what with a plastic body, sideplate and rotor. I must just live right. I must say that a 30# YT is much tougher than a 30# YFT! Much tougher than the Wahoo I got on the Makaira 20k.
    Yes I have fished my new slammer, took it out yesterday and threw some squid for huge batrays. No luck but it casts very very nicely, it also feels very good on the retrieve. I just really wish the lowest setting of drag was lower because I was kinda scared it was ganna go flying into the water.
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    Also the battle is not plastic, it has a Aluminum rotar. It should hold up perfectly fine on a 30# YT. The only thing I don't like in battles is the gearing. It's really amazing that Penn made a $100 with all metal, that's pretty impressive. I don't see why Shimano couldn't just do that with the Saragosa!

    Penn Battle 2 features
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    Amazing the battle has this much quality!
     
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    I normally use spinners for lures, not bait. Casting is what they do best so having minimal drag isn't important for me. I'm usually throwing poppers and stick baits. I have used spinners for fly lining a bait and I just leave the bail open with my finger holding the line. When bit, I let go of the line and raise the rod tip to create some slack, close the bail and then lower the tip as it comes tight.
     
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    I normally use spinners for lures, not bait. Casting is what they do best so having minimal drag isn't important for me. I'm usually throwing poppers and stick baits. I have used spinners for fly lining a bait and I just leave the bail open with my finger holding the line. When bit, I let go of the line and raise the rod tip to create some slack, close the bail and then lower the tip as it comes tight.
    I soak with it inshore so it is important. You have a Shimano twin power right? Looking to get one possibility as my dedicated Popping and travel settup.
     
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    Yes and it's my dedicated popping reel. It's going on my 10 day next month on a Black Hole 86n. I may take the Saragosa 8k too for throwing stick baits at schoolies... lots of fun! Shimano is coming out with a Saragosa 14k soon... it'll be nice not to have to pay through the nose just to get that high speed retrieve.

    I notice the Slammer 6500 comes in a high speed model. It gets 6" more per crank but I don't like the red! I wonder if you can put the high speed gears in the standard model?
     
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    Yes and it's my dedicated popping reel. It's going on my 10 day next month on a Black Hole 86n. I may take the Saragosa 8k too for throwing stick baits at schoolies... lots of fun! Shimano is coming out with a Saragosa 14k soon... it'll be nice not to have to pay through the nose just to get that high speed retrieve.

    I notice the Slammer 6500 comes in a high speed model. It gets 6" more per crank but I don't like the red! I wonder if you can put the high speed gears in the standard model?
    Do you think there worth the money or should I just grab I Saragosa? The slammer 6500hs is nice for poppers but I want something very smooth for my popper settup. Slammer is a good tank reel for surf and getting beat up but it is NOT as smooth as a Saragosa I believe. Twin powers seem pretty nice. What size you got btw?
     
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    I have a Twin Power 14000. I wanted the 53" per crank for popping. You have to work harder with a slower reel. The Slammers aren't sealed as well as the Saragosa but they're an improvement over the older models. Shimano's are meant to be smooth so that you'll be impressed when you pick them up in the store and turn the handle.
     
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    Do you think there worth the money or should I just grab I Saragosa? The slammer 6500hs is nice for poppers but I want something very smooth for my popper settup. Slammer is a good tank reel for surf and getting beat up but it is NOT as smooth as a Saragosa I believe. Twin powers seem pretty nice. What size you got btw?

    Did I just hear a change in tune? Damn, huck... you should be in sales!
     
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    I have a Twin Power 14000. I wanted the 53" per crank for popping. You have to work harder with a slower reel. The Slammers aren't sealed as well as the Saragosa but they're an improvement over the older models. Shimano's are meant to be smooth so that you'll be impressed when you pick them up in the store and turn the handle.
    Yea that's what made me fall for the Talica, 2 months later I scratch some of the EI surface coating and it started corroding. I like the spinning reels a lot. Do you get the Super spinner feeling off the Twin Power, like it's something that won't break. It should be a pretty sick reel. Super smooth I hear.
     
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    Time for your Latin lesson of the day... Et tu fishy... and you too fishy! Just pointing out that you were being hypocritical.

    Have you actually fished your new Slammer? You've spent this thead bagging on other reels 'cuz ya wanna feel better about your choice!

    I've caught 30# YT and YFT on a Battle 6000... a plastic reel 3 tiers below the Slammer. It did fine! I have no idea why it didn't explode what with a plastic body, sideplate and rotor. I must just live right. I must say that a 30# YT is much tougher than a 30# YFT! Much tougher than the Wahoo I got on the Makaira 20k.

    Battle 6000's are metal.
     
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    Yes and it's my dedicated popping reel. It's going on my 10 day next month on a Black Hole 86n. I may take the Saragosa 8k too for throwing stick baits at schoolies... lots of fun! Shimano is coming out with a Saragosa 14k soon... it'll be nice not to have to pay through the nose just to get that high speed retrieve.

    I notice the Slammer 6500 comes in a high speed model. It gets 6" more per crank but I don't like the red! I wonder if you can put the high speed gears in the standard model?

    I never understood the point of getting a spheros or gosa 8k as it is literally a 10k with less line capacity. I didn't keep mine because certain plastic pieces broke and I wasn't in the mood for fighting to find the right parts from Shimano.

    The gears of the Slammer 6500HS should fit in a standard slammer, but Tunanorth will be able to give you a concrete answer.
     
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    I don't know that the Twin Power feels any better than the Saragosa. Both feel solid and smooth. If I want a rock solid feel I'll pick up the Makaira!

    The Talica is a perfect example of a pretty, smooth feeling reel that scratches when you look at it and the internals aren't as strong as others.
     
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    I have a Twin Power 14000. I wanted the 53" per crank for popping. You have to work harder with a slower reel. The Slammers aren't sealed as well as the Saragosa but they're an improvement over the older models. Shimano's are meant to be smooth so that you'll be impressed when you pick them up in the store and turn the handle.

    You know when I was in the surf getting smashed by waves and holding my Slammers under water, I never had any water intrusion.

    If you are boat fishing, sealing on either the Sphergosa or Slammer is going to be beyond more then nessesary.
     
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    I don't know that the Twin Power feels any better than the Saragosa. Both feel solid and smooth. If I want a rock solid feel I'll pick up the Makaira!

    The Talica is a perfect example of a pretty, smooth feeling reel that scratches when you look at it and the internals aren't as strong as others.
    Makairas are very nice. Best offshore reel out there. I hope I won't regret getting a Twin Power.
     
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