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Penn Fathom 40NLD2 advertised line capacity & braid advice

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  1. vinniethefish

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    Which ring on the spool would be considered the max capacity for the advertised capacity? Is it where the gold meets the black on the spool or higher with Berkley Pro-Spec?

    Trying to decide how to rig my Fathom 40NLD2 and thinking about Tunanorth's comment in another thread about mono taking a 2:1 capacity for top shot compared with braid. I'm kind of leaning towards going the hollow core route with a 500yd spool, but not completely against the 80lb ProSpec solid braid approach. Even more so if I decide to simply buy a 130lb flouro wind on leader with a loop to loop in the absolute rare situation I'm targeting the bluefin in to 150-170lbs with a flatfall (maybe 1-2x per year if that on a 1.5 day trip as a just in case scenario).

    I think I'll get more use out of the hollow core with wind on leaders, but do not have any first hand experience. Unfortunately this game plan all starts with a few assumptions as to what I already own and how often I would even use the outfit. The primary use for this will be a 50/60 outfit with a just in case scenario using 80lb - 130lb wind on flouro simply for abrasion resistance. Locally I don't have access to ProSpec and would need to order online, pickup in SD or go with what I have access to locally in bulk (J-Briad/MacCuato). Not really a PowerPro fan and 65lb 8 strand J-Briad is the same diameter as 80lb ProSpec.

    Example:

    Form the Berkley website it looks like ProSpec solid brad 80lb 0.016in | 0.40mm and the advertised Fathom 40NLD2 capacity is below:

    Braid Capacity yd/lb
    785/50 665/65 565/80

    Mono Capacity yd/lb
    410/30 315/40 235/50


    I typically don't fill my reels beyond where the black meets the gold so I think it would be helpful to know where the demarcation is for 565 yds when using 80lb ProSpec as advertised. If I go hollow core JB Hollow Core & Diamond 80lb is 0.457mm, 16 strand Toro Tamer is 0.45mm, etc so they're all about the same size as ProSpec hollow core.

    Trying to avoid a $100 mistake going the wrong route with the braid decision day 1. Any advice for those who have been down this route would be greatly appreciated. And yes I realize it's bringing a knife to a gun fight but just don't have the budget this year for a VISX just yet. Just would like to have options for the rare situation of going 80lb -130lb wind on/flouro topshot if needed. Thanks.

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    tunanorth I've posted enough I should edit this section

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    I can't comment regarding the various line brands, but how much tension is used in winding also affects the capacity.
    Personal preference on fill-up level is also important, and even that last little 1/8 inch of fill level can be 50 yards or more.
    You are correct that the catalogue spec is based on where the black meets the gold.
     
  3. dwaynesda

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    Me personally, I don't like the hollow core as it seems to "float" on the surface more than the solid spectra. I am just guessing the air in the hollow causes this but I have no facts to back up my observations. The little baits we have now here in San Diego need all the help they can get and trying to drag hollow, floating braid down as they try to dive expends their energy pretty fast in my opinion.
     
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    Wanted to follow-up on this thread as I have the same questions as the original poster. Currently in my quiver I have a Saltist 20 w/30# braid, Torium 16 w/50# braid and Spinfisher 7500 w/65# braid. I'm thinking of adding a 40NLD2 w/80# braid in case we run into a school of big tuna. Any advice or thoughts on an alternative would be appreciated.
     
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    I believe I got right about 500 yards of solid 80 Izor on mine. The fish in my avatar was caught on that reel. Took me down to about 1/3 of capacity left before stopping. Not sure what the drag was set to exactly, but I would describe it as "stupid tight".
     
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    Thanks SouthBayKiller. Did you have a long topshot of mono or just a short fluoro leader? And what # test was the topshot/leader?
     
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    Its a testimony to just how great a value these reels truly are that this question keeps popping up.
    As mentioned in several other threads, the Fathom FTH40NLD2 [and FTH60LD2] are the perfect choice for tuna of "Guadalupe grade", roughly 75-150 pounds, possibly a bit more.
    Certainly bigger ones have been caught on them [especially this year], with more than a few cows notched by them in the local bluefin fleet. However, they are not "cow reels".
    The term "big tuna" means different things to different people, but for the past couple of years, can in fact mean fish in the 200-300-plus pound category. For fish of this grade, a "heavy frame" reel is the way to go [Fathoms are "medium frame"].
    In PENN's lineup, SoCal big bluefin chasers should be armed at the minimum with an International 16VISX, and as the fish move closer to 300 pounds or more, a 20VISX at bare minimum.
    Photo is a "local" 287 pounder caught on a 20VISX.



    287 on 20VISX.JPG
     
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    4' of 80lb fluoro. No mono. Fish bit a sardine, which had a 4oz torpedo sinker rubber banded about 3' up from the hook.
     
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    I have never had an issue with any Penn reel not making advertised spec. I use 2/3 of my intended drag pressure when I fill up and they always make or exceed the number. I have a 16 VISX with over 700 yards of #100 Izorline solid (spooled with 20# of pressure since it’s set up to use 30# at strike for 100# topshots). If a reel can’t handle heavy spooling pressure, how is it supposed to reel in a fish with full drag pressure? I consider this the audition or test to make sure a new reel is up to snuff anyways (better than on its first big fish). My 40nld2 has 550 yards of 80# solid Izor and has a little room. Find the right guy to fill it and tell him what you are trying to do. It is fairly common in a shop to hand it to the new guy or someone rushes through it, you’ll never get results that way.
     
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    I recently loaded 530 yards of 80# Jerry Brown line onto my Fathom 40nld2. Full spool all the way to the gold. Plan to use it on a Calstar 770H for fishing flat fall jigs on 3-Day BFT trips.
     
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    Rod should be a XH. Just my 2 cents worth opinion
     
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    Rod rating is up to 100# line (Mfg. decal on blank). Got a good deal/used. Will try it on Halibut in Oregon before my 3-day trip on New Lo-An next November. Thanks for the feedback.
     
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    The 40nld2 is a 60# reel that can be pushed occasionally to 80#. The rod you have is a 60# rod that can be pushed to 80#. You got it right with your pairing, but for the flat fall, you might want something heavier all together is likely what Lou is saying.
     
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    Thanks makes sense. Total newbie to this type of fishing. Last month I did a 1.5 day on the New Lo-An, caught 2 Modest BFT. So much fun a bunch of us Oregonians went in together and booked the New Lo-An (the whole boat) for a 3-day next November can't wait!
     
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    You guys will be in some of the best and fishiest hands in the fleet.
     
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    This is a side story to the Fathom 40/2 speed. Two seasons ago on the INDY at Hurricane Bank, about 11:00 am we saw a hand full of Wahoos swim thru so I said to my self, self let’s throw a sardine out and see if I can hook one of this toothier pescados, low and behold the 60 pound Izor line starts taking off, this is on a Penn Fathom 30/2 speed. UC wahoo stick.
    I’m really happy right about this time chasing my Wahoo up to the bow.
    1 1/2 hours later, deep color the deck hand estimate the YELLOW FIN to be around 150# to175# the rod and the reel where no match to this beautiful fish, something no ones wants to ever hear, A SHOT GUN BLAST LIKE SOUND. PINGGGG. Great fight, I was a little disappointed but glad for the opportunity to fight this fish. Last time on the Red Rooster 100 to 150 # blue fin at the tuna pens 40# test on a jig stick, not a good combo.

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