Penn Fathom 25NLD2 vs Avet MX Raptor??

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  1. hucklongfin

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    Yes, of course I can compare the price point to determine the better value. Define value! As you pointed out the primary difference between the Fathom and Torque is the frame. Have you ever broken a cast frame or had it make a difference in landing a fish? I haven't and therefore place no additional value on it. I do think the cast frame is a "material" upgrade over graphite.
     
  2. AKSalmon

    AKSalmon I've posted enough I should edit this section

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    I do occasionally see broken cast frames in my shop as well as stripped screws. Another thing: You cannot anodize cast aluminum; you can only paint it. Machined aluminum is more expensive but in my opinion, well worth it.
     
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    l too own both raptors and Fathoms. IMO, in comparison, the Fathom wins out in almost all categories. The remaining question, for how long? My raptors are time tested, and served me well for a long time. Can't say the same for my Fathoms...yet!
     
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    Some nice discussion here. It looks like Mrs. Clause has things covered with a 15LD2 under the tree. Thanks guys for your healthy ideas.

    Joe
     
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    I have and had both reels. Its all about the feel when cranking the reel. I cannot stand the "binding" feel of the Avets. Its like having to use extra effort just to turn the handle even with the drag set under factory recommended settings. It can take a toll on your cranking arm if you are using it for yoyo or surface iron fishing. Just search the word binding.

    And about the replacing of the bearing issue thats it is easily replaceable.....ha ha, its not fun when the bearing goes out on a tuna on a hot bite and it has happened to many from what I have read. I was told the same thing to carry extra bearings ! Thats not fine when you spend hundreds and thousands of dollars on a trip and you have service a reel during a trip. I have never had a lever drag S, AC, O, P brand reel that has so many issues about a bearing as I did with the Avets.

    All the other lever drag reels that I have are like my crock pot...." just set it and forget it". Never had issues and I abuse my chit. Use, rinse, externally oil here and there, put on the rack for the next trip.

    I have both the Fathom 30 on a 10' for surface iron and Torque 40 with 50 for yoyo and after cranking all day the Penns are the greatest least binding reels on the market.
     
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  6. AKSalmon

    AKSalmon I've posted enough I should edit this section

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    It is extremely rare for the piñon bearing to go out on a Raptor; these reels are designed such that your really, really have to abuse it to fry the piñon bearing. The standard Avets have good bearings too -- but if you push the drag too much (about 9 pounds on an MX) you will crunch the pinion bearing and cause the handle to bind. That's easy to do...
     
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    Sorry for budding into the conversation so late, but I own both AVET's and Fathoms and they all have their own pros/cons.

    AVET: SX 5.3, SX G2 MC, 2 Speed, MXJ 2 Speed, MXL 2 Speed, JX Raptor.

    Fathom: 2 X Fathom 25N 2 Speed, and a Fathom 40N 2 speed.

    Out of personal experience they both have amazing quality. If you want something that gives you a bang for the buck, Fathom does an amazing job and gives you the bells and whistles of $300+ reels internally and can get the job done in many different scenarios

    AVETs are a bit on the softer side like scalpels, they are more precise in what you will use them for. The Raptors can go on a much higher range of things they can accomplish at the additional cost.

    BUT, I gave all my Fathoms to my mom who has always been a fisherwoman but at the age of 55 she needed something which is a 2 speed and a bigger button in case she gets tired. The bigger button for 2 speed helps over the AVET for her, additionally she doesn't use the max drag which on Fathoms tends to get harder to push into, especially the "Full" or especially "Sunset". Since I push my reels to their stated drag limits, that seemed like not so true about the drag at strike as it gets harder to push into it (like many reels).

    In my case, I prefer AVET because they feel smoother in the hand (the metal, not the gears, the gears do irritate me because they feel like a pepper grinder sometimes), and I can service them myself since I go more often than she does.

    The fact that I go fishing at least once a week even if its for rockfish with her, makes me want to get something I will enjoy in every way. From the feel of the reel to the look to maintaining it. I am able to service all my AVETs myself and never had to replace a bearing and I get something I can not only look at but also know for fact on any boat "thats my setup" without having to worry about grabbing someone elses in a hot bite or if someone tries to take them with them off the boat, intentionally or unintentionally. (I get custom ordered avets, for extra $30 they can mix and match colors for different parts)

    TL;DR, Fathom is an amazing equivalent to a Swiss Army Knife, meanwhile AVETS are scalpels/knives each built for different purposes.

    Rather than trying to compare "apples to apples" realize its like comparing "apples to pears". They are similar but are different in their applications and every person has their own preference.

    P.S. Sorry for long post =/
     
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    Both are great reels. Both fall short of perfection, because that's the world. I will admit to liking Avets in part because they are great eye candy.
     
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    skipjackrobert I've posted enough I should edit this section

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    But still the ugliest reel made...
     
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    skipjackrobert I've posted enough I should edit this section

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    If u buy a raptor then no issue..
     
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    I really like the large push button on the Penn products. My old hands really have a tough time pushing the small buttons on other brands of reels. I am slowly changing my reels to Penn's. It is a major feature feature for me
     
  14. Drago

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    Honestly speaking, I love AVETS because they fit my need at the moment. There shiny and customizable.

    But Fathoms are like a Multi Tool or WD40. Anyone can use them and they can do more than most people will ever use them for.

    Both of which were imitated but never properly replicated.
     
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    Steve, this is an older thread, but what rod were you using with the 15ld2 that enabled you cast those small sardines?
     
  16. Steve K

    Steve K Hey, I'm gettin' bit...

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    G Loomis Pelagic series rated 25-40. 30 lb seems to be the sweet spot for that rod.
    I won that rod on a June 7 day on the Angler, maybe ten years ago.

    For those little tuna I should have been fishing a 20-25 lb mono topshot with my Daiwa SL20SH.
    On the Calstar 800L it would have been bitchen. I mean, they were small. But, still fun.
     
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    Ok, cool. Thanks!
    I have a Torque 15 on my 800L and love that setup!
     
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    Penn Fathom 25NLD2 vs. Avet MX/JX Non-Raptor = Penn FATHOM Hands Down!

    Penn TORQUE vs. Avet RAPTOR= Penn TORQUE Hands & Feet Down! :-)
     
  19. vjtuna

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    Make easy on yourself 40\50lbs top shot & 65 braidf fathom 25ld2 is the way to go. Lightweight, strong and matched with your favorite 8' rod (mine is GF calstar 800M). For long cast with jigs, yo yo, fly line it a versatile set up. You'll see them being used by long range deckhands. That a seal of approval I needed to know that the fathom 25ld2 would be a great choice. Avet raptor is ok,but I can buy two fathom for the of one raptor.
     
  20. Mark Bingham

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    Totally agree! The fathom 15LD2 just gets bit, fishing 20# landing school sized 20-35 BF and YF last year was a blast. Might have to get my own because I like it and right now I'm borrowing my son's set up :) lol.
     

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