Penn Fathom 25N Freespool Lever Jam

steelfish

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Correct, the motion becomes automatic in a very short time.
The "levelwind" Fathoms and the "lever drag" Fathoms do not have the "Live Spindle" feature, but it is a small tradeoff to get the extra freespool/castability in the star drag non-LW models.
dont get me wrong, Im a penn lover, have a 320gti, fathom40, 113h, penn 506hs, penn 505 and on my birthaday list there is a Baja Special old model or the new white one, I really dont matter that much.

it just that I would like to have known this "trick" before getting the reel on the water for the first time, something like a special red note or something on the box.
 

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Its very simple guys... Keep your thumb on the spool and go backwards when you want to put it into freespool...
 

steelfish

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Its very simple guys... Keep your thumb on the spool and go backwards when you want to put it into freespool...
hmm well I must be doing something wrong cuz to practice I lifted with my rod a 5lb# tackle box and I just cant move the spool at all with the thumb on my Fth40 star drag to release the pressure on the freespool lever
 

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hmm well I must be doing something wrong cuz to practice I lifted with my rod a 5lb# tackle box and I just cant move the spool at all with the thumb on my Fth40 star drag to release the pressure on the freespool lever


With a 5-pound weight on the end, it will probably take using both thumbs at the same time; but just one thumb should be able to do it easily with any kind of normal sinker or lure.
 

tunanorth

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Does this happen with the Torque star drags as well?


Most of the time, yes.
This minor motion is necessary due to the "Live Spindle" feature, which requires removal of weight load on the gear train to drop into freespool.
Most owners of reels with this feature feel that it is a very worthwhile tradeoff in order to get the substantially improved freespool and castability that it gives.
In PENN's lineup, Live Spindle is only available on some of the non-levelwind star-drag models, as it would be wasted in reels with a level-wind mechanism, and in fact cannot be included on lever drags.
 
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mberggre

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I own 3 reels with the live spindle feature. I really haven't noticed the "problem" that people are speaking of. I always have my thumb on the spool when I'm taking my reel out of gear. Maybe I take a slight amount of pressure off?

I also hooked bottom when I was yoyo fishing with 15 lbs of drag. I was able to take the reel out of gear. It's not that hard...
 

steelfish

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I am curious... With a fish hooked up, and pressure on the reel... Why would someone even want to go to freespool? lol
well, nobody is wants to get freespool with a fish hooked up, but picture this.

you are fishing lincods or any other fish in the deep, 70-90yds deep and using 10oz or 12oz lead plus the bait or a heavy jig, then at middle water you want to drop the jig again with just giving freespool, drop the bottom and few crancks back then freespool, this should be as easy as it reads and it actualy is that easy on most reel, but on the fathom you have to thumb the spool and give a bit pressure backwards and them move the lever of freespool, but if you dont know this "trick" then you will have hard time pulling the lever.

I was testing with 5# weight just to see how hard it was and it was really hard to do it, Tunanorth is right, you normally dont have that weight and need the freespool, I will practice with 8oz speedjig.
 

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What suprises me with these threads is the ability to not figure these things out on the water. I have given my 2 fathoms to my brother For Christmas but I went blind into a 6 day having never used them as did he. We both in about 1 cast realized something with the free spool was affecting the levers ability to disengage. But we literally talked for a minute found the solution of rolling back spool and proceeded . We could have faulted the reel but instead figured it out and cast 7x-s as far as possible and MURDERED like 10 yellows on surface iron in a place and time when they were not supposed to do that. Point is they are great reels and when u have a reel that has a quirk that leads to a benefit. ....adapt...

I wonder 25 years ago how many threads would have been started because their Newell made noises :D
 

steelfish

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well, that small issue didnt stop me from catching a lot of fishes some nice YT and a bigazz cabrilla, actually the freespool issue just bothered me a bit but catching nice fishes on it, the stopping power, the casteability and how light the reel is made forget that situation until I found this threadmany days later of the trip LOL.

it was a good thing though cuz with this thread I found out I dont have a problem on the reel but a tradeoff thingy, no more complains from my part, I said it before and will say it again, love penn brand and will use this brand always, since many years ago at least one of my reels that always take with me to fish is a penn, right there are two, my good old 320gt with upgraded drags and the fathom 40
 

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I am curious... With a fish hooked up, and pressure on the reel... Why would someone even want to go to freespool? lol
If I get in a bad tangle with 2-3 other hooked fish, I have gone in to what Brian on the AA calls controlled free spool to keep from sawing off each other and buy us some time for a crew member to come save the day.
 

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If I get in a bad tangle with 2-3 other hooked fish, I have gone in to what Brian on the AA calls controlled free spool to keep from sawing off each other and buy us some time for a crew member to come save the day.
Im just saying.... I don't think its a big deal lol
 

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well, nobody is wants to get freespool with a fish hooked up, but picture this.

you are fishing lincods or any other fish in the deep, 70-90yds deep and using 10oz or 12oz lead plus the bait or a heavy jig, then at middle water you want to drop the jig again with just giving freespool, drop the bottom and few crancks back then freespool, this should be as easy as it reads and it actualy is that easy on most reel, but on the fathom you have to thumb the spool and give a bit pressure backwards and them move the lever of freespool, but if you dont know this "trick" then you will have hard time pulling the lever.

I was testing with 5# weight just to see how hard it was and it was really hard to do it, Tunanorth is right, you normally dont have that weight and need the freespool, I will practice with 8oz speedjig.
or you can lift the rod tip fast like your setting a hook, then before it drops put it into freespool.. I mean, that is the compromise for the amazing freespool these reels give... I jus dont think its a big deal, at all.
 

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I was fishing at Colonett and I snagged the bottom with 50 lb line. I was able to take the reel out of gear with at least 15lbs of load. You can take the reel out of gear with a fish on.
 

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On the original 25N's eccentric pin was too short. It was redesigned and made longer thus solving the problem for the most part. When using heavy jigs I would still employ the thumb technique referenced above.
 

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Maybe when I get back to the shop, I can post some pictures of the slight modification we do to the yolk to aliviate this issue. The tq 15 and 25n are our go to reels for our charter boats. They are the only reels we found that can handle 100+ days a year.
 

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Maybe when I get back to the shop, I can post some pictures of the slight modification we do to the yolk to aliviate this issue. The tq 15 and 25n are our go to reels for our charter boats. They are the only reels we found that can handle 100+ days a year.
Doug has done that modification on My three reels and now they are smooth as butter.
 

steelfish

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Maybe when I get back to the shop, I can post some pictures of the slight modification we do to the yolk to aliviate this issue. The tq 15 and 25n are our go to reels for our charter boats. They are the only reels we found that can handle 100+ days a year.
I would like to see that mod.

Thanks in advance