Owner Split Ring Types

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What is the difference between Owner Hyperwire split rings and Owner Ultra split rings? Which one is better for rigging on different types of lures or tying line to? Why are the sizes the same, but the available test strength is very different?
 
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hucklongfin

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Strength of the wire is the difference. Do you need a 320# split ring over a 220#?
 
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The ultra rings are MUCH thicker, i.e., the wire gauge is such thicker. If you get some be sure you have excellent split ring pliers. I got the HPA from Trophy tackle and they work well. I really struggled to use them before i got those pliers.

The Ultra's are not as stealth, but they are VERY strong.
 
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I really dislike split rings...JMO
David,
anything to this: I now have several big jigs that came without hooks. I also now have a large collection of hooks to be used on these, but I haven't put hooks on several of the jigs. I do not want to take my welding equipment on my trip, so that would leave me with split rings, or not using my cool new lures.

Thoughts?
 

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A micro torch, some flux, silver solder and some rings don’t take up much space. You can entertain your friends on the boat!
I am failing miserably in my efforts to limit my need for Sherpas when boarding.
Might as well take my break-it machine, too.

Incidentally, I agree with your comment on how strong a ring does one really need.
 
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Take it with you. For sure. Customize to the current conditions. Durring travel.

Sharp edges makes me nervous in a few ways with heavy drag. Inline with the connection. And the risk of line/other lines getting caught up in a split. When everything goes perfectly wrong.

95% of the ringing I have done for myself or others is on the boat. Clean. Close to a owner ring

Jim titon got my ringing kit. Should had kept it LOL but its easy to make a new one.
 

Fishybuzz

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David,
anything to this: I now have several big jigs that came without hooks. I also now have a large collection of hooks to be used on these, but I haven't put hooks on several of the jigs. I do not want to take my welding equipment on my trip, so that would leave me with split rings, or not using my cool new lures.

Thoughts?

We/I always take a small brazing outfit......all that is needed is a small butane torch some rings and couple feet of silver solder and a small container of flux....with that big box of yours it would fit no problem.....I just don't trust split rings Owner can call them what ever they want and rate them at a bizzillon#'s but they are still split rings ...just me.
 

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Hi Loc V.
I have all the tools. I would love to learn how to silver soldering. I wondering if I bring the equipment on the trip, would you show me how to use it? I have never done it before, I’m kind of nervous.
I have a couple of jig they need hooks
 

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Hi Loc V.
I have all the tools. I would love to learn how to silver soldering. I wondering if I bring the equipment on the trip, would you show me how to use it? I have never done it before, I’m kind of nervous.
I have a couple of jig they need hooks
Pietro,
I'll bring a kit. I have it all. Love my fine gauge solder, makes it substantially easier.
 
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Traveling days are priceless with mentors/crew. When utilized

I have allot to learn. I like traveling which is when I learn the most rigging. Getting the free time is hard. 18 days of rp results in a new degree :D
 

Cubeye

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David,
anything to this: I now have several big jigs that came without hooks. I also now have a large collection of hooks to be used on these, but I haven't put hooks on several of the jigs. I do not want to take my welding equipment on my trip, so that would leave me with split rings, or not using my cool new lures.

Thoughts?
It all depends on how much "jigging" a person does. If it's an occasional thing, and you have only a few, then brazing would be a better choice. I haven't seen any 'dedicated jiggers' on the long trips, which would be 14+ days. Most people use bait.

On the shorter trips, which would be ten days or less, you would probably use jigs more often. That would mean you will bring:
Surface iron
Yo-yo Iron
Poppers
Sliders (sub surface lures)
Wahoo trolling lures. DTX Minnows come with split rings.
Vertical speed jigs
Slow Pitch Jigs
etc.

Some of these jigs only require wire treble hooks, and the hooks that come with the jigs will suffice, while on others listed above, "designer" hooks are recommended, as many don't come with hooks. In this case split rings might be a better choice, unless you have deep pockets and can afford to put "designer" hooks on all of your jigs. Have you ever priced Kudako hooks? Or even Owner ST-66 trebles?

Split rings allow you to:
Carry fewer hooks in a separate Plano box or equivalent.
Allow you to quickly change jigs
Transport your jigs in a jig bag without getting them all tangled up with hooks.

Split rings today are more than adequate for all target fish other than Cow size fish.

If it were me, I wouldn't bother taking my brazing tools on that long of a trip. Odds are you won't be doing that much jigging. Just braze up the jigs you think you will use and leave that stuff at home. Your target fish are tuna at night, which means you will be using a PL-68 or equivalent with a big single hook brazed on the back, or something like a FCL Labo with assist hooks. For wahoo, you will probably use Bombs, which use single hooks and it doesn't matter if the hook is brazed or ringed. Same goes for the Raiders and 6X Jr.

Sorry for the long winded response.
 

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I am told that many wahoo guys are rerigging their dtx lures with an improved hook on the assend with a longer shank hook (maybe a owner jobu j hook, like 9/0.)This requires adding another split ring. Any thoughts or ideas appreciated for my education. Thanks.
 

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I am told that many wahoo guys are rerigging their dtx lures with an improved hook on the assend with a longer shank hook (maybe a owner jobu j hook, like 9/0.)This requires adding another split ring. Any thoughts or ideas appreciated for my education. Thanks.
Here we go again. Don't fuck with them.
 

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It all depends on how much "jigging" a person does. If it's an occasional thing, and you have only a few, then brazing would be a better choice. I haven't seen any 'dedicated jiggers' on the long trips, which would be 14+ days. Most people use bait.

On the shorter trips, which would be ten days or less, you would probably use jigs more often. That would mean you will bring:
Surface iron
Yo-yo Iron
Poppers
Sliders (sub surface lures)
Wahoo trolling lures. DTX Minnows come with split rings.
Vertical speed jigs
Slow Pitch Jigs
etc.

Some of these jigs only require wire treble hooks, and the hooks that come with the jigs will suffice, while on others listed above, "designer" hooks are recommended, as many don't come with hooks. In this case split rings might be a better choice, unless you have deep pockets and can afford to put "designer" hooks on all of your jigs. Have you ever priced Kudako hooks? Or even Owner ST-66 trebles?

Split rings allow you to:
Carry fewer hooks in a separate Plano box or equivalent.
Allow you to quickly change jigs
Transport your jigs in a jig bag without getting them all tangled up with hooks.

Split rings today are more than adequate for all target fish other than Cow size fish.

If it were me, I wouldn't bother taking my brazing tools on that long of a trip. Odds are you won't be doing that much jigging. Just braze up the jigs you think you will use and leave that stuff at home. Your target fish are tuna at night, which means you will be using a PL-68 or equivalent with a big single hook brazed on the back, or something like a FCL Labo with assist hooks. For wahoo, you will probably use Bombs, which use single hooks and it doesn't matter if the hook is brazed or ringed. Same goes for the Raiders and 6X Jr.

Sorry for the long winded response.

I was thinking to bring with me on the 18 days trip 70% of my jigs, just in case ;).
It is my first time on a long trip. But I feel better if I have some jigs in my box, mostly wahoo jigs.
I will be prepared with more knowledge on my second long trip ;).
 

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It all depends on how much "jigging" a person does. If it's an occasional thing, and you have only a few, then brazing would be a better choice. I haven't seen any 'dedicated jiggers' on the long trips, which would be 14+ days. Most people use bait.

On the shorter trips, which would be ten days or less, you would probably use jigs more often. That would mean you will bring:
Surface iron
Yo-yo Iron
Poppers
Sliders (sub surface lures)
Wahoo trolling lures. DTX Minnows come with split rings.
Vertical speed jigs
Slow Pitch Jigs
etc.

Some of these jigs only require wire treble hooks, and the hooks that come with the jigs will suffice, while on others listed above, "designer" hooks are recommended, as many don't come with hooks. In this case split rings might be a better choice, unless you have deep pockets and can afford to put "designer" hooks on all of your jigs. Have you ever priced Kudako hooks? Or even Owner ST-66 trebles?

Split rings allow you to:
Carry fewer hooks in a separate Plano box or equivalent.
Allow you to quickly change jigs
Transport your jigs in a jig bag without getting them all tangled up with hooks.

Split rings today are more than adequate for all target fish other than Cow size fish.

If it were me, I wouldn't bother taking my brazing tools on that long of a trip. Odds are you won't be doing that much jigging. Just braze up the jigs you think you will use and leave that stuff at home. Your target fish are tuna at night, which means you will be using a PL-68 or equivalent with a big single hook brazed on the back, or something like a FCL Labo with assist hooks. For wahoo, you will probably use Bombs, which use single hooks and it doesn't matter if the hook is brazed or ringed. Same goes for the Raiders and 6X Jr.

Sorry for the long winded response.
You just appologized for a carefully worded helpful response.

Leaving the silver at home, having made some hook choices, had been the plan until this thread. I am entering the “Don’t worry, be happy,” phase of prep. But, did just decide it will be fun to put together a little silver solder kit. Sometime it is ok to be wishy-washy on inconsequential things.
 

Cubeye

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You just appologized for a carefully worded helpful response.

Leaving the silver at home, having made some hook choices, had been the plan until this thread. I am entering the “Don’t worry, be happy,” phase of prep. But, did just decide it will be fun to put together a little silver solder kit. Sometime it is ok to be wishy-washy on inconsequential things.
I used to pack a Soldering Kit. Did it for many years, but I never used it. Thus my response. I also used to pack bulk spools of mono, and replaced the line when necessary. I gave that up and instead bought some spare reels with new line on them. And of course, the boat has a lot of bulk spools of line.