Ocean Salmon Season PFMC work in progress

richardp

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I have to say it, it looks like PSA and Kevin working with the commercials to get more fish in Puget Sound was a complete bust....wasted time and effort by PSA.
I am sure your post will elicit all sorts of interesting posts...I will keep mine simple- In hindsight (with 20/20 vision) what would have worked better?
 

Mr. Doodles

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I have to say it, it looks like PSA and Kevin working with the commercials to get more fish in Puget Sound was a complete bust....wasted time and effort by PSA.

You guys arguing over who did what are starting to look like a bunch of 3 year olds fighting over a stupid toy!

Enough already! To each their own, and suport the ones you feel are worthy then work together when we can this crap just makes you guys look STUPID!
 
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I have to say it, it looks like PSA and Kevin working with the commercials to get more fish in Puget Sound was a complete bust....wasted time and effort by PSA.

Wtf ??? Are you Bi polar ?

Just about the time I start thinking we might need CCA's millions if we are ever going to stand a chance against the Tribes... you pop off with that statement WOW
 

BugeaterInWa

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I have to agree with you Andy... What good did that do? I think I know what Jerry's angle is but maybe not a good time or place to do that.
 
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Maybe that's one I shouldn't have posted, I will retract it and let sleeping dogs lie.
 

Kingcg1990

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You night as well delete the comment before it gets blown way the fuck out of proportion. What needs to happen is people need to stop bitching and moaning amongst each other and creating barriers between ourselves. We need to all work together, now more than ever, to achieve the common goal. It's no longer 50/50 and it's probably going to take an act of Congress to make it right. Thia Shits turned into a soap Opera.
 
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Team Sency

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So congress?? How much casino $$ goes towards elected officials? Behind the scenes how powerful is this minority group and what officials/groups are in their pockets that is allowing them to get their way?

Who buys their fish? $$$$ is what drives it all. Those making it at our expense need to be identified. And this small behind the scenes groups customers need to feel pressure for supporting a group that is taking advantage of us.

Non natives flood the casino's and buy all their fish...we feed our own downfall. As fisher people are we to small of a group to make change??
 
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hawksfan75

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OK, I went looking with my PR hat on. There's a lot to read between the lines on the WDFW press release and I find it extremely interesting how folks are spinning it.

I also found the statement from the Northwest Indian Fisheries Commission: http://nwifc.org/2015/04/tribal-and...come-to-agreement-on-upcoming-fishing-seaons/

In that release, it states:
"Necessary fishery reductions were especially painful for tribal and state managers this year, (Lorraine Loomis, chair of the Northwest Indian Fisheries Commission) said, but were necessary because of uncertainty in environmental conditions. Salmon returns were poor throughout western Washington last year. Setting this year’s season was further complicated by ongoing concerns about ocean conditions and a low snowpack that is expected to lead to increased water temperatures."

I can't disagree with that. Habitat, low returns and other management issues are a significant issue that needs to be solved long term.

What I'm curious about is if the tribes are, in fact, making 50-50 splits with the rest of the parties? My math says that they should be allocated zero fish in what we call Area 10 and the same number of fish in A9 as well.

Separate note and not as important because of the chinook issues but I have not seen any mention of the size reductions, A11 seasons or a host of other proposed changes (leader length etc...) in the announcements. Any updates on those?
 

hawksfan75

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So congress?? How much casino $$ goes towards elected officials? Behind the scenes how powerful is this minority group and what officials/groups are in their pockets that is allowing them to get their way?

Who buys their fish? $$$$ is what drives it all. Those making it at our expense need to be identified. And this small behind the scenes groups customers need to feel pressure for supporting a group that is taking advantage of us.

Non natives flood the casino's and buy all their fish...we feed our own downfall. As fisher people are we to small of a group to make change??
As far as I can tell, Safeway and Haggen both buy fish from the tribes. I'm sure other grocers do as well. That's as deep as I could find so far.
 

TunaHore

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Clockwork

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its times like these im glad my boat is on a trailer. gotta put alot of miles on it if you want to fish these days. guys with a "homeport" are gonna have to get mobile.

the division on the sportfisherman/commercial partnership makes me uneasy and i dont have a confident feeling either way.
 

fishnazzi

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Which one.............
btw, what state are you a legal resident of?

!
Turns out on the advise of my accountant.....due to the fact I was in WA for more of the year then not and still own property in WA. THIS LAST YEAR WASHINGTON......AS I WILL BE BACK IN A FEW WEEKS....THIS YEAR WASHINGTON.
I am glad you have done something to help...... I guess I must have missed that. Sorry. Please don't discount what I have also done and tried to do. It hit me today while I doing paperwork for the up coming fishing season.........
CCA and PSA are very much on an equal to the democrats and the Republicans in our government.
My point.... It is ok to choice a side. When they agree they "are both working together" when they don't ..... They are not. If as a citizen I chose Democrat or Republican it is ok. Looking at social media one can see clearly.......most choose one side or the other.....few sit on the fence. Fish politics...... They keep trying to convince the world that with numbers we have more clout...... Turns out both clubs seem to share membership......making the true numbers less. Because I support one club does not require me to support the other. I don't for one minute believe that CCA and PSA are shoulder to shoulder all the time......or for that fact heading to the same destination. Bash me go for it..... If you took the time to read this.......know one thing I do believe.....Kevin wouldn't sell out sport fishermen for anything....(I saw that one person believed that....he can IT is his right[I think he is wrong]) I also believe in what both Ron and Kevin are doing with their parts of their club. Clear bottom up plan. The other is not so clear......nor has it been good overall for the average sportfishermen in other states over the long haul. I won't ever vote Democrat and I am a supporter of PSA. See ya in a few weeks.........
 

Elkfins

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1. It could have been much worse. If it wasn't for guys like Kevin, Ron and the rest of the sportfishermen on the advisory council who fight for our rights to be on the water and fish, it most certainly would have. A big thank you to those of you who fight for sportfishermen.

2. FUCK YOU MUCKLESHOOT TRIBE!!! FUCK YOU, FUCK YOU FUCK YOU YOU HYPOCRITICAL PIECES OF SHIT!!!

that's how I feel about it for anyone who cares.
 

“biteme”

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They say its hard on "tribal managers" but did they do anything to their numbers? They will still be netting in full force right?

Good thing my kids go to a school where 50% and 50% add up to 100%

50/50 seems to mean 100/0 in a10 and 80/20 everywhere else to the "tribal managers" and noaa
 
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Fog Ducker!

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Downloaded my Visa application last night!

Not sure if I will purchase a Washington license this year!

I'm going to fish! North, South, anywhere but here!



Ducker!
 

fishnazzi

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Which one.............
Downloaded my Visa application last night!

Not sure if I will purchase a Washington license this year!

I'm going to fish! North, South, anywhere but here!



Ducker!
No shaken baby syndrome....... Flat seas and sun.......might be nice.
 

J.C.

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Turns out on the advise of my accountant.....due to the fact I was in WA for more of the year then not and still own property in WA. THIS LAST YEAR WASHINGTON......AS I WILL BE BACK IN A FEW WEEKS....THIS YEAR WASHINGTON.
I am glad you have done something to help...... I guess I must have missed that. Sorry. Please don't discount what I have also done and tried to do. It hit me today while I doing paperwork for the up coming fishing season.........
CCA and PSA are very much on an equal to the democrats and the Republicans in our government.
My point.... It is ok to choice a side. When they agree they "are both working together" when they don't ..... They are not. If as a citizen I chose Democrat or Republican it is ok. Looking at social media one can see clearly.......most choose one side or the other.....few sit on the fence. Fish politics...... They keep trying to convince the world that with numbers we have more clout...... Turns out both clubs seem to share membership......making the true numbers less. Because I support one club does not require me to support the other. I don't for one minute believe that CCA and PSA are shoulder to shoulder all the time......or for that fact heading to the same destination. Bash me go for it..... If you took the time to read this.......know one thing I do believe.....Kevin wouldn't sell out sport fishermen for anything....(I saw that one person believed that....he can IT is his right[I think he is wrong]) I also believe in what both Ron and Kevin are doing with their parts of their club. Clear bottom up plan. The other is not so clear......nor has it been good overall for the average sportfishermen in other states over the long haul. I won't ever vote Democrat and I am a supporter of PSA. See ya in a few weeks.........
Another effort at division with your bullshit political shaming. Doesn't work on those of us that are independent and think both parties are a bunch of retards. Oh no, Troy might call me a liberal. Just stop it already.........your a Kalifornian that lives in Arizona who comes here to make money off our fish that you think your entitled to for reasons I don't grasp. I'm sure you'll tell us why.........maybe you did something this one time at band camp. Let it go out of state claimer.
 

fishnazzi

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Which one.............
Another effort at division with your bullshit political shaming. Doesn't work on those of us that are independent and think both parties are a bunch of retards. Oh no, Troy might call me a liberal. Just stop it already.........your a Kalifornian that lives in Arizona who comes here to make money off our fish that you think your entitled to for reasons I don't grasp. I'm sure you'll tell us why.........maybe you did something this one time at band camp. Let it go out of state claimer.
Hehehe......morning complete. Now run off jump on the short bus......and quit lickin the windows
 
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richardp

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Downloaded my Visa application last night!

Not sure if I will purchase a Washington license this year!

I'm going to fish! North, South, anywhere but here!

Ducker!
I have been analyzing La Perouse Bank area on the charts for a while now.....Time to start thinking about doing something different!
 

Team Sency

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haha...I knew there was some mukachoi in you Ryan!!!

And second Pat...sparkler's prices have gotten out of control. Hook a brother up!!!