Nov 10 day gear advice needed

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wiredawg

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I can not decide what to do, my first 10 day trip is this Nov. I have done all kinds of trips up to 5 days prior to my upcomming 10 day from Nov 2-12 on the Red Rooster. I plan on taking 10 to 12 day trip again next year, so I want to be prepaired for the future also.

This is my planned break out of rigs and their uses. I have read all the msg board threads I can to gather info and I have narrowed my selection down a 3 reels and 3 rods. Seeing I can only get one more rig with out my wife killing me.

Current rigs
80 # bait dropper loop
Diawa SLD 30 II 80 mono over spectra
Diawa RS/RT 5'6" 50-130
60# bait
30 VSW 60 mono over 135 jb spectra
Calstar 655XH roller 50-100
60 bait/jig
Avet Ex 60# over 100# pp spectra
Penn 6' 50-100 RS/RT
50lb bait
Diawa 450H str mono 350 yds
Penn Mariner 6' 30-80 turbo guides
50lb Hoo Jig
reel Vacant
rod Vacant

40lb jig
Torium 20
Penn Pro guide 7' GS700M 20-50
40lb bait
Daiwa sealine50
Seeker A600 6' 20-50
30# jig/bait/I see making bait mostly
shimano tld 15/30 30lb over spectra
Seeker BS6480 8' 20-40

For the reels I have looked at, I like the:
Tor 30 good price and capable with drag upgrade and spectra backing $149 local plus tax plus extra cost of drag plate and spectra 300 65# (total $200)
Avet LX/JX 6.1 single speed solid reel moderate price $249 on the web $10 spectra 300 65# (total $260)
Avet JX/LX 6/3 two speed solid reel expensive $369/79 on web $10 spectra 300 65# (total $379/389)

What size Avet would be best for 50# the LX or JX?
Is it really worth the extra 200 for the Avet 6/3? Yes inside I really want the Avet 6/3 but it is hard to justify the extra money, is this where I need to put my money or should I look at upgrading my other tackle?

The rods I am leaning towards
WC-6480 30-60 $169 buddy has one and i have pulled on it and I like the action.
GFDH 800H 30-60 $239 pulled on some and like the action
GFGR 700H 30-80 $257 no exp
WC-670H-C 30-80 $169 no exp
GFGR 700XH 40-100 $275 no exp, though it seems to me to be a stout rod how does it handle throwing jigs?

Idealy for me I see a 850H GF blank but do they make a factory 850H? Also I'd prefer foam and a reel seat over a deck hand series type rods do they make factory rods (big hands and I am not small man I am 6'2" and 210lbs and have thrown 8' rods alot).

Any help or advice would be appreciated.

Jay
 
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branman

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Not taking into consideration of mixing up what you have laid out.

I fish hoo with a 700H and an Accurate 665XN

The 700H works well and pulls 50# no problem, being a 7 footer it is a little easier to cast when things are hot and heavy and people running around, I'm a long rod fan but with bombs and hoo jigs they are so heavy I can cast them a mile with my kite rig :D

As far as the Torium 30 I would go with a narrower reel just to help with getting the line back on when grinding fast. Maybe the 20 would be better

The accurate I use is a nice reel a little hard to crank (IMHO) abd a little pricey but nice :D
 
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wiredawg

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Brandon,

Thanks for the info, do you think there will be enough line capacity on a TOR 20? I do like the Tor 20 I have 40#, but I did not think it had enough capacity.

Jay
 
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The Notorious S.U.A

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id take at least two outfits over 100 #

sometimes you get in a bad streak with breaking fish off and you need the confidence of getting a fish in the boat.


plus the yellows get huge down there, and the big tuna run through as well.
 
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yep at least one 100# out fit,and hell yeah get the 20 load it with spectra and get em, those drags on those reels are huge bigger than a 6/0,
 
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The Notorious S.U.A

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i would seriously not leave the dock without a 100 rig and a 130 or higher rig.
 
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wiredawg

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Damn you guys got me really thinking, 100lb rig, mainly for big yellows and large tuna when they come thru. Would you use it with a short top shot on 135 spectra and a stout rod? Do you think the SLD30II could handle the task, and then bump my 30VSW up to 80lb duty and run 60lb on the Avet EX?

Jay
 
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branman

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Here is what I bring on a 10 day

** 760XH TI50W - 130#+
760H TI50 - 100#+
7465M TI30W - 80#
765ML TI16 - 60#
700H 665XN - 50#
100J 533 - 50#
6465H YTS - 40#
670H 870 - 40#

** Not really needed

You can fish whatever with whatever rod, Thats where everyone gets all wrapped up in needing more gear.

The classic is when someone sets up a dedicated dropper loop rig. I have never seen a "WFO dropper loop bite" just start out of nowhere, usually you know when you will be dropper fishing and can setup for it ahead of time I like using my trolling rig ;)

I make bait on my 40# rig 6465/YTS it is not a finesse thing, and watch the guys fishing bait with lighter gear are also using lighter weights and getting in more tangles.

I bring a reel with 30# on it but hardly ever use it.

If you need a bigger rig I might be able to help you out.
 
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wiredawg

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I really appreciate the offer, but I can not borrow your rig. I would always be worried if something were to happan to any of your stuff. Thank you for the advice.

Jay
 
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If I was to buy one rig for this trip I would get a 700H with an LX 6/3 and fill it with 60# JB Spectra and use a 40# or 50# fluro leader. The rest of the gear you have will fill in nicely....then rent or borrow one big outfit in the chance the cow's come through. You should only need to pay for the top shot.
 
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Steve K

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The jx 6/3 is a great hoo reel as for the rod a
700 h calstar or my preferance a black diamond 760 x2h have fun on your trip

Dane, you realize this post is 7 years old, right?

What's funnier than that is what happened on that trip in 2005. Archived reports from Red Rooster III are goofed up, but this is from Bill Roecker's Archives. It was the Charkbait trip. I was on it the year before when we fished an early November 8 day. Howard (the JP winner with the Supercow) was on that trip as well and was stuck in migraine jail in his stateroom for most of the trip. I was stoked to see him get some retribution and vindication.

306-pound Tuna Caught

The 30 anglers fishing with Andy Cates aboard the Red Rooster III got more than their money’s worth, decking 35 tuna over 200 pounds on the Chark Bait Charter that returned to H&M Landing and Lee Palm Sportfishing November 12. One of the tuna was over 300 pounds, only the second such so far this season.

“I was reeling in to untangle,” said Howard Konishi of Bothell, WA, “when he bit. I had a butt-hooked sardine for bait, and it was just spinning away out there. I was wrapped in a lot of lines, but the crew got me out of trouble.

“He ran about 200 yards, away from the bow, and that’s where I fought him for two hours, and that’s where he came up. The crew helped me get the rod over the anchor, or I never would have got him.

“This is my first jackpot wince 1968,” noted Kohnishi. His tuna weighed 306 pounds. He said it bit on a 5/0 Super Mutu hook, tied to 130-pound Izorline and 130-pound Spectra backing on an Avet 50W reel and a home-built Calstar 7455 XXH rod. He also had a 216-pounder.

John Thompson of Saco, ME was second, for a 255.5-pound yellowfin. He said he bagged it with as sardine on a 4/0 Super Mutu hook, 130-pound Izorline and 130-pound Spectra backing on an Avet 50W reel.

Third place went to Paul Heggestad of Laguna Niguel. He got a 253-pounder on a mackerel on a 7/0 Super Mutu hook. He said he fished with 130-pound Izorline and 100-pound Spectra, on a Tiagra 50 reel and a 760H rod.

The 292-pounder caught by Richard Grimes of San Francisco was a handoff and therefore ineligible, but a huge tuna nonetheless. Richard fished a mackerel on a 7/0 Eagle Claw hook, with 130-pound Izorline and 130-pound Spectra backing. He used an Avet 50W reel and a home-built 660 XXH rod.

Others who caught yellowfin tuna over 200 pounds were: Mike Parent, Downey, 216, 232 pounds; Pat Wollenberg, 201 pounds; Dave Motter, Grants Pass, OR, 221, 235.8 pounds; Ray Morales of Moorpark, 224.7 pounds; Don Day of San Diego, 214 and 218 pounds; Greg Henry of Costa mesa, 205, 217, 228 and 238 pounds; Mike Reader of Torrance, 218 pounds; Dennis Davis of Bellflower, 209 pounds; Mark Madsen of San Diego, 203, 249 pounds; Wayne Sebern of Grover beach, 231, 242 pounds; Robert Cobb of Chula Vista, 220 pounds; Marlin Sanders of Ellsworth, IA, 212, 218 pounds; Jay Shivers, 204 pounds; Michael Potts, Portland, OR, 219 pounds; Bob Lowes of lake Forest, 212 pounds; and Scott Johnstone of Loveland, OH, yellowfin tuna of 217 and 253 pounds.

The trolling jackpot was won by Lee Puttman of Klamath Falls, OR, for an 86.4-pound wahoo. He also got tuna that weighed 203 and 214 pounds.
 

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Steve K

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If I was to buy one rig for this trip I would get a 700H with an LX 6/3 and fill it with 60# JB Spectra and use a 40# or 50# fluro leader. The rest of the gear you have will fill in nicely....then rent or borrow one big outfit in the chance the cow's come through. You should only need to pay for the top shot.

Turns out the rig to have for that trip was an AVET 50SDS on a Seeker Black Steel 6463XXXXH rod! Too funny. ;)
 
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Turns out the rig to have for that trip was an AVET 50SDS on a Seeker Black Steel 6463XXXXH rod! Too funny. ;)

......and I sure hope it happens like that again this year..as I am on the one and only 10 Day Trip on the Red Rooster ....i really hope my LX stays in the rack because my Big Reels are getting abused.
 
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