Not so bleak after all....

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    I would love too but, I got really into hockey about 13-14 years ago. I have friends who play in leagues and I finally went and saw a game live back in 1998, Ducks vs Bruins. I always liked hockey but, after that game I basically replaced the NBA with the NHL. My point, I have no skills on the ice but, I love the game. I wish I played as a kid but, surfing and skateboarding took over all my free time. And growing up in SD didn't help either. :hali_olutta:

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    It was hard for me but harder for my parents. I grew up in Laguna hills so hockey wasn't exactly prevalent in my youth. My parents spent tons of money and countless hours to keep me in the family sport. It was hard on them but it got me a full ride scholarship. In my draft year of college I got hurt really bad, I took a shoulder to the knee and after three surgerys they declared me unplayable. I didn't play at all for five years until my demons took over and I couldn't take it anymore so I joined the league I'm in now. It's fun but playing against these kids in there early twentys makes me realize how slow and old I am. It's cool to see someone that went to there first game and fell in love with the sport. Hockey is dieing, it's sad to say but even with the growth in revenue it's not because there are more people watching. It's because everything has increased 10fold in price.
     
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    Best sport to watch in person, IMO. Easy to see why you switched.
     
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    I should change the name of this thread. The little hope that existed for a full NHL season appears to be gone. Shortly after the players reached out to the league on Thursday night to restart stalled labor negotiations, NHL deputy commissioner bill daly rebuffed the unions attempt. NHL commissioner Gary bettman said last week, in presenting the leagues most recent offer to the players, that if a new collective bargaining agreement wasn't reached by this Thursday, it would be impossible for a full regular season schedule to be played. No talks have been scheduled, and no last minute discussions seem to be on tap. " I don't anticipate any taking place for the balance of the week" daly said in an email to the ap on Tuesday night. " the union has rejected the proposal we made last Tuesday and is not offering another one. We see nothing to be gained at this point by meeting just to meet".the sides haven't meet since the NHL turned down 3 counter proposals from the union Thursday, two days after the NHL offer that included a 50-50 revenue split. The developments Tuesday night came hours after more discourse between the sides on the 38th day of the leagues lockout. Following a call for the union executive board Tuesday night, the players association informed the NHL it is willing to meet on Wednesday or any other date, with or without preconditions, to try and reach an agreement. We hope to hear from them soon nhlpa spokesman Jonathan weatherdon said.
     
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    You should change the name of this thread.......to Scribby and Tech make a love connection......:rofl:.....
     
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    Are you jealous honey? I didn't mean to make you feel left out...
     
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    NEW YORK (AP) — NHL Commissioner Gary Bettman still hasn't heard what he wants from the players' association, so he won't return to the bargaining table and he won't play a full hockey season.

    With only one day remaining before the league's self-imposed deadline to reach a deal that would ensure an 82-game season, Bettman revealed Wednesday that he has given up hope of a complete slate of games.

    "Unfortunately, it looks like an 82-game season is not going to be a reality," he said.

    Speaking at a news conference Wednesday announcing the New York Islanders' move from Nassau Coliseum to Brooklyn's Barclays Center in 2015, Bettman seemed resigned to a shortened season with the NHL and the players' association still at odds after months of negotiations.

    Instead of a celebration, a pall was cast over the event as the lockout approached its 40th day. The NHL is close to another announcement that games will be wiped off the schedule for good.

    Bettman stated, in making the NHL's most recent offer, that a deal needed to be in place by Thursday for the season to begin Nov. 2 and be played in full. No negotiations are scheduled this week or anytime soon.

    "The fact of the matter is there are just sometimes that you need to take time off because it's clear that you can't do anything to move the process forward," Bettman said. "We're at one of those points right now because we gave our very best offer. That offer, for better or for worse, was contingent on playing an 82-game season. So I think things actually in some respects may get more difficult."

    The players' association reached out to the NHL on Tuesday night in an attempt to set up a face-to-face bargaining session Wednesday, but the league declined. The NHL's position is if the union isn't willing to talk about the league's offer that is on the table and isn't prepared to make a new proposal of its own working off that offer, there is no reason to talk.

    "There seems to be no interest in making any sort of deal along the lines of what we have expressed a desire and a need for," Bettman said. "Sometimes in collective bargaining you have to take a deep breath before you can move forward."

    The union wants anything and everything open for discussion. Bettman wouldn't agree to those terms, so the hockey season remains in peril.

    "The players made multiple core-economic proposals on Thursday that were a significant move in the owners direction," union executive director Donald Fehr said in a statement on Wednesday night. "We are and continue to be ready to meet to discuss how to resolve our remaining differences, with no preconditions. For whatever reason, the owners are not. At the same time they are refusing to meet, they are winding the clock down to yet another artificial deadline they created."

    A partial season is still a possibility, and the NHL hasn't called off any marquee events such as the outdoor Winter Classic on New Year's Day or the All-Star game.

    That could change in a hurry.

    "I'm not going to give you an exact timetable, but at some point in November we will have to commit many millions of dollars to get ready for the Winter Classic. So if there's still uncertainty, we're going to have to make a decision," Bettman said. "My guess is we're not going to commit those dollars unless we have certainty."

    At some point a deal will have to be made to get the players back on the ice. The NHL canceled the entire 2004-05 season because of a lockout that led to the league adopting a salary cap system for the first time.

    A shortened season is still the most likely scenario once the sides can get back to talking and working their way to an agreement.

    "Sure, you can play an abbreviated season. I would rather play a full season, and I am sure our fans would rather we play a full season," Bettman said. "That's why we made the offer we did. That was our fourth offer against really one offer from the union in all the time that we've been negotiating from the summer. We very much want to play and we're very disappointed that we're not."

    Following a conference call held by the union's executive board on Tuesday night, the players' association informed the NHL it was willing to meet on Wednesday "or any other date, without preconditions, to try to reach an agreement," the union said in a statement.

    The NHL's response wasn't what the players' association had hoped to hear.

    "We said to them that we are prepared to meet if you want to discuss our offer or you want to make a new offer," Bettman said. "They have no inclination in doing either, and so there really was no point in meeting at this point."

    The sides haven't met since the league turned down three counterproposals from the union last Thursday, two days after the NHL's offer that included a 50-50 split of hockey-related revenue.

    There is a major divide between the sides over how to deal with existing player contracts. The union wants to ensure that those are all paid in full without affecting future player contracts.

    Bettman refused to say whether the 50-50 split in the NHL's most recent offer would come off the table if a full season isn't played.

    "I'm not going to negotiate publicly," he said.

    This is the third lockout of Bettman's tenure. The stoppage began Sept. 16.
     
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    NEW YORK (AP) — The NHL's deadline for playing a full, 82-game season arrived Thursday with no new discussions between the league and its locked-out players.

    Without a new collective bargaining agreement that would end the league's lockout of players on its 40th day, the NHL vowed to cut the season short. An announcement officially taking a full schedule out of play wasn't immediately planned.

    Major money-making events such as the upcoming outdoor Winter Classic and the All-Star game could soon be in peril, too.

    "No contact, and I don't anticipate any announcements today," NHL deputy commissioner Bill Daly told The Associated Press in an email Thursday.

    NHL Commissioner Gary Bettman already painted a pessimistic picture on Wednesday, saying at a news conference for the Islanders' move to Brooklyn that, "Unfortunately, it looks like an 82-game season is not going to be a reality."

    The league has already canceled all 135 scheduled games through Nov. 1, but the thought was those could be rescheduled if a deal was reached by the end of Thursday and play started Nov. 2.

    In making its most recent offer to the players, the NHL presented a proposal that included a 50-50 split of hockey-related revenues. But that was contingent on the sides making the Thursday deadline and getting the season under way following a week of training camp.

    The union responded with three counterproposals, all of which would get the sides to a 50-50 deal, but the league rejected them quickly because they didn't work off the NHL's offer. Talks then broke down, and the NHL turned down the union's offer to return to the table this week with no preconditions. The union wants anything and everything open to discussion.

    The league's position is if the players' association isn't willing to negotiate off the NHL's offer — which Bettman has called the league's best — or make a counteroffer using that proposal as a framework, then there is no sense in meeting just to meet.

    "The fact of the matter is there are just sometimes that you need to take time off because it's clear that you can't do anything to move the process forward," Bettman said. "We're at one of those points right now because we gave our very best offer. That offer, for better or for worse, was contingent on playing an 82-game season. So I think things actually in some respects may get more difficult."

    NHLPA executive director Donald Fehr said Wednesday night that the league's deadline was bogus.

    "We are and continue to be ready to meet to discuss how to resolve our remaining differences, with no preconditions. For whatever reason, the owners are not," he said. "At the same time they are refusing to meet, they are winding the clock down to yet another artificial deadline they created."

    There is a major divide between the sides over how to deal with existing player contracts. The union wants to ensure that those are all paid in full without affecting future player contracts. Bettman expressed a willingness to discuss the "make whole" provisions on existing contracts, but only if the economic portions of the league's offer are accepted first by the union.

    Bettman refused to say whether the 50-50 split in the proposal would come off the table if a full season isn't played.

    "I'm not going to negotiate publicly," he said.

    This lockout, the third of Bettman's tenure as commissioner, began Sept. 16. The 2004-05 season was lost in the last work stoppage.
     
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    I was really looking forward to the Kings defending their first (of many) cups and now there's the very real possibility of the entire season going down the shitter. To be honest, I haven't really been following the business-side of the lockout too much other than to know that the season is in jeopardy. Hockey really is the greatest "Go watch it live" sport out there and I was looking forward to going to a couple of games this year with my Ducks-fan son (Darn kid is an Angels/Ducks fan and I'm a Dodgers/Kings fan). It seems as if business and sports are like oil and vinegar.......
     
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    Not looking good for a season.

    If I have to watch Wood Hockey, part of me will die. :drunk

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    PS. I thought BD was a place for love connections? I mean, the 95% thrive here.
     
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    Whats winks and fucks like a race horse?

    ;)
     
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    I'll be at your boat around 12 tonight, with two rootbeers and a fruit-rollup..

    Love ya,[​IMG]
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    Is Dean cumming too?

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    No, but I hear he is looking for some pullers tonight..You should give him a call..[​IMG]
     
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    Well that escalated quickly...
     
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    NEW YORK (AP) — The NHL lockout has forced the cancellation of all games through the end of November.

    The NHL announced Friday that 326 regular-season games from Oct. 11 through Nov. 30 were lost — more than 26.5 percent of the schedule. The news came one day after a league-imposed deadline passed for a deal with the players' association that would allow for a full season.

    "The National Hockey League deeply regrets having to take this action," deputy commissioner Bill Daly said in a statement. "By presenting a proposal to the NHLPA that contemplated a fair division of revenues and was responsive to player concerns regarding the value of their contracts, we had hoped to be able to forge a long-term collective bargaining agreement that would have preserved an 82-game regular season for our fans. Unfortunately, that did not occur.

    "We acknowledge and accept that there is joint responsibility in collective bargaining and, though we are profoundly disappointed that a new agreement has not been attained to this point, we remain committed to achieving an agreement that is fair for the players and the clubs — one that will be good for the game and our fans."

    The dispute is all too similar to the 2004-05 lockout that led to the cancellation of that entire season — the first time a North American professional sports league lost a complete campaign to a labor dispute.

    Reaching a new deal potentially became even tougher Friday, because the NHL pulled off the table its most recent offer to the players — one that included a 50-50 split of hockey-related revenues.

    "The league officially informed us today that they have withdrawn their latest proposal and have cancelled another slate of regular-season games," union executive director Donald Fehr said in a statement. "This is deeply disappointing for all hockey fans and everyone who makes their living from hockey, including the players. But it comes as no surprise."

    Whether any of the canceled games can be rescheduled in the event of a quick settlement remains to be seen.

    Daly told the AP in an email that if a deal is reached, the league will try to play as many games as possible.

    "Having said that, once clubs begin releasing dates and rebooking their buildings, as they will be free to do for the month of November, the process will obviously get more difficult and complicated," he wrote.

    A quick decision on the status of the New Year's Day outdoor Winter Classic and the All-Star game later in January isn't expected, Daly said.

    Last week, the NHL offered a 50-50 split of hockey-related revenues, which exceeded $3 billion last season, but that proposal was rejected by the union. The players responded with three counteroffers, all of which would get the sides to a 50-50 deal, but the league quickly turned them down.

    The NHL proposal was contingent on the league playing a full 82-game season, beginning on Nov. 2, which now won't happen.

    Players earned 57 percent of revenue in the recently expired contract, in which a salary cap was included for the first time. Owners originally sought to bring that number below 50 percent this time around before the most recent NHL offer of 50-50.

    Efforts by the players' association to resume negotiations this week were rebuffed by the NHL because the union declined to agree to start bargaining off the framework of the league's offer or issue another proposal using the league's proposal as a starting point.

    There is a major divide between the sides over how to deal with existing player contracts. The union wants to ensure that those are all paid in full without affecting future player contracts. NHL Commissioner Gary Bettman expressed a willingness to discuss the "make whole" provisions on existing contracts, but only if the economic portions of the league's offer are accepted first by the union.

    "Last week the owners gave us what amounts to a 'take-it-or-leave-it' proposal," Fehr said. "We responded with the framework for three proposals on the players' share, each of which moved significantly, toward their stated desire for a 50-50 split of HRR, with the only condition being that they honor contracts they have already signed. Honoring contracts signed between owners and players is a reasonable request. Unfortunately, after considering them for only 10 minutes they rejected all of our proposals."

    This lockout, the third of Bettman's tenure as commissioner, began Sept. 16.

    "We have repeatedly advised the owners that the players are prepared to sit down and negotiate on any day, with no preconditions. The owners refused," Fehr said. "They apparently are only interested in meeting if we first agree to everything in their last offer, except for perhaps a few minor tweaks and discussion of their 'make whole' provision.

    "The message from the owners seems to be: if you don't give us exactly what we want, there is no point in talking. They have shown they are very good at delivering deadlines and demands, but we need a willing partner to negotiate. We hope they return to the table in order to get the players back on the ice soon."
     
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    Just sent him a text smothered in underwear.

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    Just talked to Dean. He is pulling solo tonight, to late for me to make it down there. We might pull together on Sunday though.

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    NEW YORK (AP) — It will be December before the NHL returns to the ice, and that is a best-case scenario.

    With no deal in place, and no plans to resume negotiations with the players' association, the NHL on Friday canceled its entire slate of games through the end of November.

    Once a league deadline to reach a deal that would allow for a full regular season passed on Thursday, cuts to the schedule were inevitable. The NHL wasted little time in wiping out over a quarter of its games.

    In all, 326 regular-season games from Oct. 11 through Nov. 30 were lost — amounting to 26.5 percent of the schedule.

    "The National Hockey League deeply regrets having to take this action," deputy commissioner Bill Daly said in a statement. "By presenting a proposal to the NHLPA that contemplated a fair division of revenues and was responsive to player concerns regarding the value of their contracts, we had hoped to be able to forge a long-term collective bargaining agreement that would have preserved an 82-game regular season for our fans. Unfortunately, that did not occur.

    "We acknowledge and accept that there is joint responsibility in collective bargaining and, though we are profoundly disappointed that a new agreement has not been attained to this point, we remain committed to achieving an agreement that is fair for the players and the clubs — one that will be good for the game and our fans."

    The union attempted to get the league back to the bargaining table this week, but was rebuffed when it asked that talks take place without preconditions. The NHL would only agree to meet again if the players' association used the league's previous proposal as a framework or offered a new one.

    "The league officially informed us today that they have withdrawn their latest proposal and have cancelled another slate of regular-season games," union executive director Donald Fehr said in a statement. "This is deeply disappointing for all hockey fans and everyone who makes their living from hockey, including the players. But it comes as no surprise."

    Fehr met with players on Friday night before they played in a charity game in Rosemont, Ill.

    "The only thing I'll say about the conversation is, and we repeatedly get asked, 'What is there in the NHL offer that moved in our direction?'" Fehr said. "My problem is all I can do is shrug my shoulders, because I don't know what it is.

    "Nothing they've done over the several past weeks has been very much of a surprise. One thing sort of follows another. It looks like that's what's been done in the other disputes in the other sports. It's a shame. Hopefully we'll finally get down to serious negotiations one of these days."

    The dispute is all too similar to the 2004-05 lockout that led to the cancellation of that entire hockey season — the first time a North American professional sports league lost a complete campaign to a labor dispute.

    Reaching a new deal potentially became even tougher Friday, because of the NHL's removal of its offer — one that included a 50-50 split of hockey-related revenues and one Commissioner Gary Bettman called the league's best.

    Whether any of the canceled games can be rescheduled in the event of a quick settlement remains to be seen. Daly told the AP in an email that if a deal is reached, the league will try to play as many games as possible.

    "Having said that, once clubs begin releasing dates and rebooking their buildings, as they will be free to do for the month of November, the process will obviously get more difficult and complicated," he wrote.

    The league had previously canceled games through Nov. 1 in two earlier rounds of cuts. A quick decision on the status of the New Year's Day outdoor Winter Classic and the All-Star game later in January isn't expected, Daly said.

    "They're going to keep exercising the power that they have to be able to lock us out, and the thought that they can cancel games to try to sway us their way," Chicago Blackhawks captain Jonathan Toews said. "We'll see what happens in the next little while and see where it goes from there."

    Last week, the NHL offered a 50-50 split of hockey-related revenues, which exceeded $3 billion last season, but that proposal was rejected by the union. The players responded with three counteroffers, all of which would get the sides to a 50-50 deal, but the league quickly turned them down.

    The NHL proposal was contingent on the league playing a full 82-game season, beginning on Nov. 2, which now won't happen.

    "To be honest with you, more than anything it seems like it's more of a scare tactic to us," Blackhawks forward Patrick Kane said. "The only reason why is they can cancel those games. I don't think it really means too much."

    Players earned 57 percent of revenue in the recently expired contract, in which a salary cap was included for the first time. Owners originally sought to bring that number below 50 percent this time around before the most recent offer of 50-50.

    Fehr said he spoke to the NHL on Friday and that the sides have conversations regularly, even though they haven't scheduled another time to meet.

    "I believe it doesn't matter how much we try to reason with them or negotiate," Toews said. "I saw it in the meeting room last week, where we worked there. Don and everyone worked very hard in coming up with those three different proposals and they didn't even have the courtesy to look at it for more than five minutes or even to discuss it. There was no discussion.

    "As has been proven over time, they're just on a timeline, and they're waiting to see how much they can squeeze us for. I don't know what's going to happen in the next week or so, but as players we've stood up. We've stayed together this whole time and we've worked very hard at trying to negotiate. That's as much as we can do at this point."

    There is a major divide between the sides over how to deal with existing player contracts. The union wants to ensure that those are all paid in full without affecting future contracts between teams and players.

    Bettman expressed a willingness to discuss the "make whole" provisions on existing contracts, but only if the economic portions of the league's offer are accepted first by the union.

    "Last week the owners gave us what amounts to a 'take-it-or-leave-it' proposal," Fehr said. "We responded with the framework for three proposals on the players' share, each of which moved significantly, toward their stated desire for a 50-50 split of HRR, with the only condition being that they honor contracts they have already signed. Honoring contracts signed between owners and players is a reasonable request. Unfortunately, after considering them for only 10 minutes they rejected all of our proposals."

    This lockout, the third of Bettman's tenure as commissioner, began Sept. 16.

    "We have repeatedly advised the owners that the players are prepared to sit down and negotiate on any day, with no preconditions. The owners refused," Fehr said. "They apparently are only interested in meeting if we first agree to everything in their last offer, except for perhaps a few minor tweaks and discussion of their 'make whole' provision.

    "The message from the owners seems to be: if you don't give us exactly what we want, there is no point in talking. They have shown they are very good at delivering deadlines and demands, but we need a willing partner to negotiate. We hope they return to the table in order to get the players back on the ice soon."
     

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