No God is Welcome in San Diego.......per U.S. District Judge Larry Burns

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  1. ConSeaMate

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    [TH]Religious Affiliation[/TH]
    [TH]# of
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    [TH]% of
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    [TD]Episcopalian/Anglican[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]32[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]57.1%[/TD]
    [/TR]
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    [TD]Congregationalist[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]13[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]23.2%[/TD]
    [/TR]
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    [TD]Presbyterian[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]12[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]21.4%[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Quaker[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]2[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]3.6%[/TD]
    [/TR]
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    [TD]Unitarian or Universalist[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]2[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]3.6%[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Catholic[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]1.8%[/TD]
    [/TR]
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    [TD]TOTAL[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]56[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]100%[/TD]
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    Name of Signer[/TH]
    [TH]State[/TH]
    [TH]Religious Affiliation[/TH]
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    [TD]Charles Carroll[/TD]
    [TD]Maryland[/TD]
    [TD]Catholic[/TD]
    [/TR]
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    [TD]Samuel Huntington[/TD]
    [TD]Connecticut[/TD]
    [TD]Congregationalist[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Roger Sherman[/TD]
    [TD]Connecticut[/TD]
    [TD]Congregationalist[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]William Williams[/TD]
    [TD]Connecticut[/TD]
    [TD]Congregationalist[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Oliver Wolcott[/TD]
    [TD]Connecticut[/TD]
    [TD]Congregationalist[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Lyman Hall[/TD]
    [TD]Georgia[/TD]
    [TD]Congregationalist[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Samuel Adams[/TD]
    [TD]Massachusetts[/TD]
    [TD]Congregationalist[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]John Hancock[/TD]
    [TD]Massachusetts[/TD]
    [TD]Congregationalist[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Josiah Bartlett[/TD]
    [TD]New Hampshire[/TD]
    [TD]Congregationalist[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]William Whipple[/TD]
    [TD]New Hampshire[/TD]
    [TD]Congregationalist[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]William Ellery[/TD]
    [TD]Rhode Island[/TD]
    [TD]Congregationalist[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]John Adams[/TD]
    [TD]Massachusetts[/TD]
    [TD]Congregationalist; Unitarian[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Robert Treat Paine[/TD]
    [TD]Massachusetts[/TD]
    [TD]Congregationalist; Unitarian[/TD]
    [/TR]
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    [TD]George Walton[/TD]
    [TD]Georgia[/TD]
    [TD]Episcopalian[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]John Penn[/TD]
    [TD]North Carolina[/TD]
    [TD]Episcopalian[/TD]
    [/TR]
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    [TD]George Ross[/TD]
    [TD]Pennsylvania[/TD]
    [TD]Episcopalian[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Thomas Heyward Jr.[/TD]
    [TD]South Carolina[/TD]
    [TD]Episcopalian[/TD]
    [/TR]
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    [TD]Thomas Lynch Jr.[/TD]
    [TD]South Carolina[/TD]
    [TD]Episcopalian[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Arthur Middleton[/TD]
    [TD]South Carolina[/TD]
    [TD]Episcopalian[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Edward Rutledge[/TD]
    [TD]South Carolina[/TD]
    [TD]Episcopalian[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Francis Lightfoot Lee[/TD]
    [TD]Virginia[/TD]
    [TD]Episcopalian[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Richard Henry Lee[/TD]
    [TD]Virginia[/TD]
    [TD]Episcopalian[/TD]
    [/TR]
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    [TD]George Read[/TD]
    [TD]Delaware[/TD]
    [TD]Episcopalian[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Caesar Rodney[/TD]
    [TD]Delaware[/TD]
    [TD]Episcopalian[/TD]
    [/TR]
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    [TD]Samuel Chase[/TD]
    [TD]Maryland[/TD]
    [TD]Episcopalian[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]William Paca[/TD]
    [TD]Maryland[/TD]
    [TD]Episcopalian[/TD]
    [/TR]
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    [TD]Thomas Stone[/TD]
    [TD]Maryland[/TD]
    [TD]Episcopalian[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Elbridge Gerry[/TD]
    [TD]Massachusetts[/TD]
    [TD]Episcopalian[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Francis Hopkinson[/TD]
    [TD]New Jersey[/TD]
    [TD]Episcopalian[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Francis Lewis[/TD]
    [TD]New York[/TD]
    [TD]Episcopalian[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Lewis Morris[/TD]
    [TD]New York[/TD]
    [TD]Episcopalian[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]William Hooper[/TD]
    [TD]North Carolina[/TD]
    [TD]Episcopalian[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Robert Morris[/TD]
    [TD]Pennsylvania[/TD]
    [TD]Episcopalian[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]John Morton[/TD]
    [TD]Pennsylvania[/TD]
    [TD]Episcopalian[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Stephen Hopkins[/TD]
    [TD]Rhode Island[/TD]
    [TD]Episcopalian[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Carter Braxton[/TD]
    [TD]Virginia[/TD]
    [TD]Episcopalian[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Benjamin Harrison[/TD]
    [TD]Virginia[/TD]
    [TD]Episcopalian[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Thomas Nelson Jr.[/TD]
    [TD]Virginia[/TD]
    [TD]Episcopalian[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]George Wythe[/TD]
    [TD]Virginia[/TD]
    [TD]Episcopalian[/TD]
    [/TR]
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    [TD]Thomas Jefferson[/TD]
    [TD]Virginia[/TD]
    [TD]Episcopalian (Deist)[/TD]
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    [TD]Benjamin Franklin[/TD]
    [TD]Pennsylvania[/TD]
    [TD]Episcopalian (Deist)[/TD]
    [/TR]
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    [TD]Button Gwinnett[/TD]
    [TD]Georgia[/TD]
    [TD]Episcopalian; Congregationalist[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]James Wilson[/TD]
    [TD]Pennsylvania[/TD]
    [TD]Episcopalian; Presbyterian[/TD]
    [/TR]
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    [TD]Joseph Hewes[/TD]
    [TD]North Carolina[/TD]
    [TD]Quaker, Episcopalian[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]George Clymer[/TD]
    [TD]Pennsylvania[/TD]
    [TD]Quaker, Episcopalian[/TD]
    [/TR]
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    [TD]Thomas McKean[/TD]
    [TD]Delaware[/TD]
    [TD]Presbyterian[/TD]
    [/TR]
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    [TD]Matthew Thornton[/TD]
    [TD]New Hampshire[/TD]
    [TD]Presbyterian[/TD]
    [/TR]
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    [TD]Abraham Clark[/TD]
    [TD]New Jersey[/TD]
    [TD]Presbyterian[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]John Hart[/TD]
    [TD]New Jersey[/TD]
    [TD]Presbyterian[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Richard Stockton[/TD]
    [TD]New Jersey[/TD]
    [TD]Presbyterian[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]John Witherspoon[/TD]
    [TD]New Jersey[/TD]
    [TD]Presbyterian[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]William Floyd[/TD]
    [TD]New York[/TD]
    [TD]Presbyterian[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Philip Livingston[/TD]
    [TD]New York[/TD]
    [TD]Presbyterian[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]James Smith[/TD]
    [TD]Pennsylvania[/TD]
    [TD]Presbyterian[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]George Taylor[/TD]
    [TD]Pennsylvania[/TD]
    [TD]Presbyterian[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Benjamin Rush[/TD]
    [TD]Pennsylvania[/TD]
    [TD]Presbyterian[/TD]
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    The signers of the Declaration of Independence were a profoundly intelligent, religious and ethically-minded group. Four of the signers of the Declaration of Independence were current or former full-time preachers, and many more were the sons of clergymen. Other professions held by signers include lawyers, merchants, doctors and educators. These individuals, too, were for the most part active churchgoers and many contributed significantly to their churches both with contributions as well as their service as lay leaders. The signers were members of religious denominations at a rate that was significantly higher than average for the American Colonies during the late 1700s.
    These signers have long inspired deep admiration among both secularists (who appreciate the non-denominational nature of the Declaration) and by traditional religionists (who appreciate the Declaration's recognition of God as the source of the rights enumerated by the document). Lossing's seminal 1848 collection of biographies of the signers of the Declaration of Independence echoed widely held sentiments held then and now that there was divine intent or inspiration behind the Declaration of Independence. Lossing matter-of-factly identified the signers as "instruments of Providence" who have "gone to receive their reward in the Spirit Land."
     
  2. ?? fisherman

    ?? fisherman super Captain

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    This infuriates me big time! What a truly screwed up world we have become!

    I don't care if you believe in what a cross represents or not..... the thing has been there for as long as I have been living here and it needs to be left alone and stay! Stooopid this whole thing is! Geeeez, I have a telephone pole down the street that looks just like a cross.... maybe they better petition all of those as well..... dumbasses!!

    Coins saying "In god we trust" and the threatening to remove it

    You're not suppose to say Merry Christmas, and instead "Happy Holidays"

    The Childrens pool, built for kids, is now being taken over by seals and forbidden for kids or adults to swim in the area.

    Care to add to the BS list, cause there is lots more!

    Personally I think that they day they decide to take that cross down.... it needs to be loaded to the gills (and I'm talkn' LOTS) with people who are saying Nah uh.... NOPE..... NO WAY IN HELL YOU ARE GOING TO EVEN THINK ABOUT REMOVING THIS STRUCTURE! Nobody should let this EVER happen!!

    Bunch of friggen pansy ass people that have nothing better to do than cause a stupid costly stink over silly Cheeet.

    The unknown fisherman:p:
     
  3. walkerman

    walkerman I've posted enough I should edit this section

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    Actually, any intelligent "constitution fundamentalist" knows that there is no such thing as "separation of church and state" in the constitution. The salient part of the First Amendment "prohibits the making of any law respecting an establishment of religion, impeding the free exercise of religion……" Separation is something atheists have made up from whole cloth.

    Now, I am assuming that Carl believes that the First Amendment means that "In God We Trust" can no longer appear on US money? Moreover, all US officials will no longer say "So help me God" when they take their oaths of office. Ummm….should the crosses all be removed from from our national cathedral in Washington DC….as a matter of fact, I suppose we shouldn't even have a national cathedral. Lastly, I suppose we have to travel the world over and remove ALL of the crosses which mark the graves of fallen American servicemen where ever we see them. I mean, the cross in question here is over a military cemetery. What say you Carl.
     
  4. JFK

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    So a group of rich slave owners who believed that inalienable rights were actually only meant for male/white/protestants qualify as "ethically-minded?" Interesting.
     
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    walkerman I've posted enough I should edit this section

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    Actually, the constitution contained the seeds of the destruction of slavery. Moreover, it is a very common mistake when looking back in history to judge folks from ages past on the morals, beliefs and laws of today. Can't be rationally done.
     
  6. Saluki

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    Hey Carl,

    Is this a violation of the Constitution?


    "I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."
     
  7. JFK

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    I partailly agree with you. But still, can't help but think about a group of men who sequester themselves only to theorize and discuss notions of liberty without it dawning on them that the majority of people in their society are not free, and that they are not simply observing this, but perpetuating it and benefitting monetarily from it. I think it was a convenient oversight, and simply saying that we have no way of seeing the world the way they did is letting them off too easy, and an easy out for those who try to romanticize US history.
     
  8. Rauterki

    Rauterki The worst fisherman on the boat

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    You sure about this? Are you really saying that there were more slaves than non-slaves? The first official census taken in 1790 would dispute this.
     
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    Women (50+%) plus slaves = overwhelming majority. And in some southern states slaves did out number whites.
     
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    If your only criteria for women not being free is the fact that they weren't allowed to vote then you should add every single child to your number as well. Why do you say that women weren't free?
     
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    Merry Christmas
     
  12. Tues

    Tues Not my job...

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    I like burritos.
     
  13. Blackfish

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  14. JFK

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    Voting is not the only criteria. It wasn't until the 14th amendment (post civil war) that women were even granted constitutional rights under the equal protection clause, and even then they were not allowed to vote and were excluded, in writing, from many activities that we would now include in our idea of freedom.

    Thread may be getting off topic and I don't really want to get into an arguement, just pointing out some inaccuracies in people's idea of where our laws came from, and the people who created them. A constitutional law professor gave me some good advise that I still use today, and that was to define where you stand with regard to the constitution (strict versus activist, or somewhere in between), and then apply that consistently versus cherry picking your arguements based on the issue. You'll be surprised where you end up sometimes.
     
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    Regardless of what any of us think or say God will prevail and yes he loves you confused liberals as well.

    Merry Christmas! :waglleybooty:
     
  16. Marcus

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    Was added to coins initially in 1864 and paper money in 1957. Its placement upon currency were forged entirely within this crucible of national turmoil (Civil War lasting from 1861 to 1865). The Reverend M. R. Watkinson, in a letter dated November 13, 1861, petitioned the Treasury Department to add a statement recognising "Almighty God in some form in our coins." At least part of the motivation was to declare that God was on the Union side of the Civil War.

    The issue people have with it is that it is being funded by the govt. which is showing a preference for a religion. It's a cross which is the universal symbol of christianity. There is no other way to interpret it.

    Someone being sworn in can actually use whatever religious text they want. Does not have to be the bible.

    You do know that was added in 1956 right? It was used as a way to distinguish us from the godless communists during the cold war.

    Either way I don't have an issue with the cross.
     
  17. Marcus

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    Stop using logic. This is Bloodydecks and there is no place for that in a thread........ :D
     
  18. ConSeaMate

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  19. Saluki

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    I don't give a rats ass when it was added, is it unconstitutional?

    That was the question.
     
  20. Marcus

    Marcus "Oddjob"

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    It depends on how you interpret the constitution. Strict constitutionalist, probably. Activist, probably not. That's why it goes to courts.
     

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