Next Setup Suggestions

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  1. Kopfjager

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    Greetings All!

    Looking to pick up a new rod/reel at FHS in LB this year, and was looking for some advice on what I should get. I have spent a majority of my time around the islands out of Ventura, but will be taking at least one 3-day trip out of SD later this summer, as well as some overnighters out of 22nd St. or the vicinity of. As for what I already have:

    - Phenix Black Diamond PSW 760H with a Penn Fathom 25N 2-speed - 40# yo-yo/live bait
    - Okuma SCT 701H with a ProGear V22 Violator - 30# live bait
    - Okuma PCHI-C 801H with an Okuma Komodo 463P - 30# all arounder
    - Phenix Abyss PSX 908 with a Daiwa Lexa 400HD - 30# jigstick

    Am I using what I have appropriately/adequately?

    Looking to spend around $700 or so... Thinking I may need a 50/60# setup, but not quite sure. Appreciate any advice you have to offer!!

    Edited to add: Totally not averse to buying used from anyone looking to sell a rod and/or reel that would fit my needs. Planning on hitting FHS on Friday the 8th and could meet up that day.

    Nick
     
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  2. hucklongfin

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    For 50/60# you could go with a Fathom 40n2 on a psw760xh or a UC Predator 76.
     
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    For 50-60# I’d go with a TRQ30LD2 on a CS 700XH.
     
  4. Lake

    Lake I've posted enough I should edit this section

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    I’ll second MarkT’s suggestion. That Fathom is a great reel. If you want to step up to a Torque I’d suggest the 40NLD2. The Mak 15T is supposed to debut at the FH Show. You may want to check that one out. I also like the Phenix 760XH. I don’t have a UC Predator yet but it is on my radar. I do have a UC Raptor that’d work well there.
     
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    Fathom 40NDL2/Avet HX... UC Raptor/Predator or Calstar 875XH/700XH/800XH
     
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    I reside in VENTURA county as well. I haven’t done any 3 day trips... yet
    But we did encounter 230 plus bluefin this year at San Clemente island. On a 2 day.
    But here is what I suggest.
    Get yourself a 12-15 lb rig for Sumer bass fishing here.

    20 rig as well for white sea bass
    25 lb rig
    Perhaps sell a 30 and or two for these two if needed.


    Keep the 40
    Dropper Loop. Yo yo surface iron, bait

    12-20 lb. abu Garcia Revo premiere. Cast better than curado 200 hg .with Phenix black diamond 10-30 9 ft inshore rod

    20 lb Penn Torque Star drag 12
    Custom Gloomis 17-25 lb 9 ft

    25lb lb Penn Torque star 25n
    Phenix abyss 9 ft 15-40

    30lb penn torque star 25n
    Phenix 25-50 lb 10 ft

    40 lb. penn fathom 25N star with 800h Calstar.


    I fish a penn torque ld40n for 50-60 on Calstar 700xh


    Then I bump straight up to a caster 770xh with an Makaira 20 80 hollow Izor to 100 lb big game.
     
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    Mak 20 + UC Viper76
     
  8. r8rs4lf

    r8rs4lf I've posted enough I should edit this section

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    My suggestion for a 50/60# set up is a UC76 or 80 Predator with a Talica 12ii spooled with 80# Max Cuatro. I have the 76 version and I love how balanced it feels.

    Personally I didn't like the Fathom 40NLD2. I thought the spool was too tall. It was just a bulky reel IMO.
     
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    You find that combo for $700, I'll take two
     
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    swami 805 I've posted enough I should edit this section

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    If you fish the islands alot I'd 2nd another light outfit maybe 2, one for fly-lining live bait and one for swim baits. A small star drag and a rod with a soft tip for fly-lining and a levelwind and something stiffer for swim baits. Hardly ever need 60# at the chanell islands.
    If you're thinking you need something heavy get something that will fish 100 and just use a 60# top shot. 60# is kind of a niche set up
     
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    That's what I was thinking! Hell, I'd splurge an extra $100 if I could find that for $800! o_O
     
  12. shooter21

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    I have a unfished UC 76 predator if your interested PM me
     
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    It would be nice having a #60-80 set up. Kinda seems like you also need a #40-60 set up and you would probably use that more than the #60-80 one but it is going to hurt if the giant BFT are around and you don’t have at least a light #80 with you.

    Maybe a fathom 40ld2 with #80 braid with a Phenix Black Diamond 760XH at 30-80 would be a nice 50-60 set up that you can also fish #80 on even if it’s for the abrasion resistance more than anything else.

    An Okuma PCH 741XXH at 60-100 is another quite reasonably priced rod you might want to look at. Just by looking at it in the store, I kind of feel like it’s more of a #50-80 rod.
     
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    I built my quiver out trying to make sure I had a set up for every line class, but I've now come to a bit different realization that it's better to plan for what presentations you'll use instead. For schoolie fishing and the rest of what you'll generally encounter in the right your gear will work. The Phenix rods you have are a bit light for what you're using them for IMO; the h-rated BD is really a 30lb rod and the 908 is more of a 25lb rod, so a true 40lb rod would be good for general use, the 25N should probably be fine for that.

    If that 3 day fishes bluefin there are a few different ways that could go.
    1. Flatfall - 100lb tackle min, 130 is significantly better.
    2. Flyline dine/chovy, small shy fish - there are bits where the only fish being caught are 25lbs or less, and a good 15-20 set up can make a lot of difference.
    3. Flyline dine, mixed grade- similar to what we saw late in the season and early on on the slide, 50lb tackle
    4. Flyline dine, mixed grade with 150+s - start to see bigger fish boiling around, you want a minimum of 80lb, and not just leader, but a rod and reel that can fish it. Personally, I like using more of a stealth rig for this with thinner braid to help the dine out as much as I can.
    Flyline Mac - see above, use a 100lb rig if you have it in addition to 80.
    Kite - 130 min
    Popper/stickbait/surface iron - a different article, direct foamers fishing

    If you noticed there's no 60lb in there. Unless there's something I haven't noticed, there isn't much use for 60lb locally. At Guadalupe and trips south 60 is really useful, but for what we're doing, you don't really use it. Some people have landed great fish with it here, but IMO you don't want to short change yourself and with the right gear and practice you can swim a bait on 80 just as well as 60, and they'll eat 80 if they'll eat 60.
     
  15. SouthBayKiller

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    A 25lb bait setup may be a more used add to round out your current tackle than a 60lb setup. I know each year we always think bigger and bigger, but for most overnight trips the two most used rods are probably a general bait stick and something to fish 40-50lb with for a dropper loop and yoyo iron (your 25N works OK for this locally).

    For your 3 day, who knows what it may bring, but I'd be willing to bet most of the 1-3 day offshore trips this year fished 20-25lb a lot on kelps and for school grade yellowfin. It wasn't until that big bluefin popped off at Clemente and that Cortez fish much later in the year that anything over 30lb was needed.

    Also, a lot of that Clemente fish was caught in the dark on flat-falls or on kite gear, both of which a 50/60lb setup wouldn't work for anyways. I could be wrong, but I don't think there were many bait fish not off a balloon or kite.
     
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    Might want to throw a 20 lb rod in that mix...if fishing ever gets back to "normal" it would be good to have....

    fishing 36 years on the ocean, I have generally brought 3 rods for anything local or overnight...12 lb, 15/20, 25/30...and have been fine...of course now things are a little different....but there were MANY trip before el nino where fishing tuna or yellows you needed a 20 lb rod to get bit (I have even had to fish as low as 15 lb to get bit)...
     
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    I couldn't agree more with Rob and Steve. I repeatedly have friends with Lexa combos who are insistent on buying a heavier set up instead of lighter. My 17lb set up was in my hands pretty much 90% of the time this season; I only used my 40lb set up 3 times. That capability is especially important late summer when the water in the bays is really warm and the bait is weak.
     
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  18. HighWildFree

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    As mentioned I'd pick up a 20-25 lb setup. I fish my 25lb rig (8 ft Teramar with a Aver SX 2 speed) most often on 1/2 to overnight trips.
     
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    Yea....a LOT of guys just started fishing when El nino started...now they are "pros" and can catch "anything on 40 lb" lol (not directing just in general)
     
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    im with the other responses on here grab something to fish 20#/25# pound test on

    I thought i needed bigger gear the last several years and rounded out the heavier tackle but most of it has sat in the rack. I fished 3/4 to 4.5 days last season and only used >40# a handful times (borrow or rent for 50# up). Granted it came in handy but 20# to 30# was my bread and butter for bait while 40# was my go to for surface iron on tuna and tails to 35#

    I like my old Calstar 870 and my old Torium 20 for 20# to 25# test and used it way more than i thought i would last year... and I have a lot of nice new gear for 50# test plus that didn't get a lot of soak time...

    Maybe a UC CE 700M / 800M, Seeker or Calstar 270H - 8' or a Calstar 700L with a new Saltist 20P / 35P, Torium 16 or a smaller Fathom star drag?

    Also, I have found and purchased several rods and reels off the classifieds here and have nothing but good experiences! If you can find something your looking for on here don't be afraid to pull the trigger. All the people i have bought from have been really cool cats!

    Good luck with your choices and hope you hang some slugs this year in both San Diego doing the offshore thang and at the Islands out of 22nd Street and Ventura!
     
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