Newell no letter 322-5 help

marlyn

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    Bought a tiburon frame for a newell no letter 322-5 and ran into an issue i havent seen on my other newells,The 2 lower long screws on the left side plate that go through the spacer bars to the frame on the other side are some type of smooth button head (no slot),How do you remove these or should i even try?Are replacements available?Scratching my head on this one!
     
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    If you don't need the screws grab one end with vice grips and twist them out, pretty sure there's thread in the inner ring, they're probably rusted in there. You'll need short screws to attach the side plates, there's a guy on Ebay who sells whole sets. I think the inner rings on those have threads so get a small file so the short screws will go thru. While your at it get a drag upgrade kit, a set of bearings, a pair of threaded inserts and screws for the top and an SS bearing cap from the same guy on Ebay. He sells sets of all that stuff.
    Pain in the ass but you'll be glad you did it
     
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    If you don't need the screws grab one end with vice grips and twist them out, pretty sure there's thread in the inner ring, they're probably rusted in there. You'll need short screws to attach the side plates, there's a guy on Ebay who sells whole sets. I think the inner rings on those have threads so get a small file so the short screws will go thru. While your at it get a drag upgrade kit, a set of bearings, a pair of threaded inserts and screws for the top and an SS bearing cap from the same guy on Ebay. He sells sets of all that stuff.
    Pain in the ass but you'll be glad you did it
    Beleive it or not swami the reel is brand new,Picked it up from Hi's tackle a few years ago and thought id add the tib frame since it wasnt a p series.Is the guy from ebay whittierte?If so i think he lives near me,ill send him a message on ebay.My neighbor is dawn from smoothdrag so always upgrade to carbontex stacks.
     
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    Yeah, whittierte, everything you need. He'll have the 5+1 drag kit or you can leave it with 3+1 Ctex from Smooth drag. Nothing wrong with the frame the way it is either, the long screws are plenty strong,they just rust if not kept lubed.
     
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    marlyn

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    Yeah, whittierte, everything you need. He'll have the 5+1 drag kit or you can leave it with 3+1 Ctex from Smooth drag. Nothing wrong with the frame the way it is either, the long screws are plenty strong,they just rust if not kept lubed.
    Already have the frame,bought it before i saw the buttonhead screws,whittierte responded on ebay this morning and said my bearings and bearing cap(meta)are good so im going with a screw set and bryan young drag upgrade,thanks for the help swami.
     
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    Bought a tiburon frame for a newell no letter 322-5 and ran into an issue i havent seen on my other newells,The 2 lower long screws on the left side plate that go through the spacer bars to the frame on the other side are some type of smooth button head (no slot),How do you remove these or should i even try?Are replacements available?Scratching my head on this one!
    Were you able to get the long screws out? If so how’d you do it? Also struggling to take them out 🤔
     
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    Were you able to get the long screws out? If so how’d you do it? Also struggling to take them out 🤔
    Yes you can get them out by using vise grips and twisting on the threaded end until you have enough room to grab them on the other round button end with the vise grips,It fubars the threads for sure but its the only way i found to get a grip on the round end.
     
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    Try to get some kind of penetrating oil in there. I use kroil. Then heat it up a bit. I use a hammer on the end of the screw with a socket to support the other side plate. Just a few taps to get the screw head to stick out a bit then twist it out. You can usually save the threads that way
     
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    Try to get some kind of penetrating oil in there. I use kroil. Then heat it up a bit. I use a hammer on the end of the screw with a socket to support the other side plate. Just a few taps to get the screw head to stick out a bit then twist it out. You can usually save the threads that way
    Was thinking of tappin em out with a hammer, been soaking them in wd40 since yesterday will try taking them out today
     
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    Swami knows alot more than i do so id listen to him,my screws were jacked after i was done with them.I tried everything to save them and my reel was brand new old stock that never saw water and they were so tight it was rediculous.Even after i was able to get the vise grips on the button end they didnt seem to loosen at all.
    I would have to pass on any button head screw newells now unless they were really cheap,always look at the sideplate pics!
     
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    Swami knows alot more than i do so id listen to him,my screws were jacked after i was done with them.I tried everything to save them and my reel was brand new old stock that never saw water and they were so tight it was rediculous.Even after i was able to get the vise grips on the button end they didnt seem to loosen at all.
    I would have to pass on any button head screw newells now unless they were really cheap,always look at the sideplate pics!
    I’m surprised they were really tight if they weren’t rusted, as if they were glued in 🤔😂. I don’t mind the long bars concept because the frame is really stable, it’s servicing them is the issue 💀
     
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    I’m surprised they were really tight if they weren’t rusted, as if they were glued in 🤔😂. I don’t mind the long bars concept because the frame is really stable, it’s servicing them is the issue 💀
    I was surprised too,i dont think they threaded the rings but rather just force threaded them in with the screws?I even had to drill out the holes in the rings a tiny bit to allow the new screws to pass through and into the tib frame.
     
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