Newbie here and need some advice.

Chrisbasser

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Hey guys, I am a complete newbie to off shore fishing and seeking some advice on gears. I've done so much reading that I am now on information overload. I will be looking into a 5-6 days sometime in Sept targeting bft, yft, and the usual suspects. I've gathered a ton of gear and found some great deals here but I am still a bit lost. Before I grab anymore gear I just want to make sure that I am not buying mutilple setups that does the same as the other. I will list what I currently have, and I will list what I would like purchase.

The gears that I currently have are:

-Makaira 16iisea with a UC 76 centuar
-Penn Visx 12 with a UC ce700xxh
-Makaira 10 with a UC ce800monster
-Shimano Stella 18000 with a shimano ocea plugger full throttle 88h
-shimano stella 18000 with shimano ocea plugger full throttle 82mh
- Shimano twin power 14000 (no rod but thinking about a blackhole challenger bank 801h)
-UC ce800 wahoo ( no reel yet)

Gears that I would like to add are:

-Avet JX Raptor with UC 76 Raptor
-Black hole challenger bank 801h for the 14000 twinpower
-Shimano talica 20.
-makaira 20.

Please let me know what gear I am still missing for a 5-6 day trip and what gears I could do without that is already being covered by another setup? Also, if you can match the reels to the appropriate rods? I was thinking about using the twinpower and Stella's for all around 30-80 to fill in holes that I am missing somewhere? Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
 
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I am going through the same process as you , putting gear together for this hobby( quickly finding out it is an addiction !) I have only been on one trip( a day and half ) but am looking forward to longer ones in the near future. Baring a set up to throw wahoo jigs it looks like you have most bases covered ( I am guessing that Stella can handle that). We have zero tackle shops in Montana that have the kind of gear necessary for long range fishing so I have scoured these sites and asked the same questions . The common answer I got was get a little bit of gear and spend more money on longer trips!!! On the day and half trip we caught yellowtail up to 15 pounds and rockfish . I used one rod the whole trip a Makaira 15t on a pch 701xh. Way over gunned for those fish but worked just fine. My buddy used my Makaira 15 on a 701 Sct xh. I have a Makaira 20 and I can’t imagine how big a fish that thing can whip!! On a 5 to 6 day trip I think your 16 would work just fine for now.
I stressed out about having all of the right gear. I am a gear guy so it has been fun putting stuff together, but back to basics it is still fishing. A line in the water and the sun shining down on you is the main thing. If your rod reel set up isn’t perfect that tuna or yellowtail isn’t going to know. Some of the addicts on this site show up with a dozen plus outfits on these boats and they are still searching for the perfect set up for each situation!! Heck there are pages on this site of arguments over the best hook!!! As far as I am concerned the pointy part sticks in the fish’s mouth and you attach your line to the looped end!!
You’ll get plenty of advice on each set up. When it comes to your trip listen to what the crew tells you is working at that particular time and run with it. I can wait to get back down there and be out on the water.
 

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i mean to me it just looks like a lot of 40#+ gear. a 30# and even a 20/25# is pretty essential imo especially considering a 5-6 day trip may stay relatively local.

something like a trinidad 16/talica 10/penn15xnld2 w calstar 800m/seeker 6480/UC equivalent 8' 20-40 rated rod.

and/or

trinidad 14/talica 8/whatever w calstar 800ml/seeker 80f, cjb90f etc/ or uc equivalent 15-40 or20-30 rated rod (for 20-25#).

again i just think youre going a little overkill on heavier gear.
 

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Full nerds here on chit chat. You'll get all kinds of answers/suggestions to sort through when talking about "gears".

I could give a shit about poles, reels and line, I just want to drive the boat and find my own fish.

Good luck on your five day trip. There will be plenty of input there.
 
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Chrisbasser

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I am going through the same process as you , putting gear together for this hobby( quickly finding out it is an addiction !) I have only been on one trip( a day and half ) but am looking forward to longer ones in the near future. Baring a set up to throw wahoo jigs it looks like you have most bases covered ( I am guessing that Stella can handle that). We have zero tackle shops in Montana that have the kind of gear necessary for long range fishing so I have scoured these sites and asked the same questions . The common answer I got was get a little bit of gear and spend more money on longer trips!!! On the day and half trip we caught yellowtail up to 15 pounds and rockfish . I used one rod the whole trip a Makaira 15t on a pch 701xh. Way over gunned for those fish but worked just fine. My buddy used my Makaira 15 on a 701 Sct xh. I have a Makaira 20 and I can’t imagine how big a fish that thing can whip!! On a 5 to 6 day trip I think your 16 would work just fine for now.
I stressed out about having all of the right gear. I am a gear guy so it has been fun putting stuff together, but back to basics it is still fishing. A line in the water and the sun shining down on you is the main thing. If your rod reel set up isn’t perfect that tuna or yellowtail isn’t going to know. Some of the addicts on this site show up with a dozen plus outfits on these boats and they are still searching for the perfect set up for each situation!! Heck there are pages on this site of arguments over the best hook!!! As far as I am concerned the pointy part sticks in the fish’s mouth and you attach your line to the looped end!!
You’ll get plenty of advice on each set up. When it comes to your trip listen to what the crew tells you is working at that particular time and run with it. I can wait to get back down there and be out on the water.
Thank you for your comments. The ultimate goal is to just have fun and fish.
 
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Chrisbasser

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i mean to me it just looks like a lot of 40#+ gear. a 30# and even a 20/25# is pretty essential imo especially considering a 5-6 day trip may stay relatively local.

something like a trinidad 16/talica 10/penn15xnld2 w calstar 800m/seeker 6480/UC equivalent 8' 20-40 rated rod.

and/or

trinidad 14/talica 8/whatever w calstar 800ml/seeker 80f, cjb90f etc/ or uc equivalent 15-40 or20-30 rated rod (for 20-25#).

again i just think youre going a little overkill on heavier gear.
I agree with you that I am lacking in the under 40# range. Everything I've read has been to always be ready for that "big one" and so I keep going back to that heavy gear setup. Thanks for your input.
 

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You need some lighter gear, 20-30-40. Chances are you’re going to spend most of the time fishing school tuna, yellows and the like. There could be shots a bigger fish but it isn’t the bread and butter
Look at the fish report boards from last year to get a better idea of what to expect
 

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this is my 5 setup for any trips up to 6 days


tranx 400 - 40lb braid
trindad 16a -50lb braid
trindad 20a -65lb braid
talica 12ii - 80lb braid
talica 25ii -100 lb braid

with those setup i can change topshot any given min
im covered from school fish 10lb footballs to 150 lb easily
live bait
surface iron
drooper looper
yoyo
and even trolling
like most of use we are all whores and have way too many setup
i personally have a small-20 to 25- collection compare to other
over the years i realize that 2-3 setups are only used most of the time
depends on certain trips i will change it up time by time
6 setup is at the most ill bring

the 5-6 days are usually lupe trips
ill leave the tranx
and take
talica 16ii
talica 20ii
 
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Chrisbasser

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this is my 5 setup for any trips up to 6 days


tranx 400 - 40lb braid
trindad 16a -50lb braid
trindad 20a -65lb braid
talica 12ii - 80lb braid
talica 25ii -100 lb braid

with those setup i can change topshot any given min
im covered from school fish 10lb footballs to 150 lb easily
live bait
surface iron
drooper looper
yoyo
and even trolling
like most of use we are all whores and have way too many setup
i personally have a small-20 to 25- collection compare to other
over the years i realize that 2-3 setups are only used most of the time
depends on certain trips i will change it up time by time
6 setup is at the most ill bring

the 5-6 days are usually lupe trips
ill leave the tranx
and take
talica 16ii
talica 20ii
Thanks everyone for their input thus far.

Wii888lo, this is a very good post and is what I am looking for. Do you mind listing what rods you have each of those reels attached to?
 

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You can never have too much gear, however as mentioned above some lighter line set-ups might come in handy for those smaller grade fish and for when the bait is on the smaller side. Even with spinning set ups its hard to get that bait away from the boat and into the biting zone quickly enough. For 30 lbs and under I also prefer to go with a 9 foot rod with a soft tip and strong backbone in case I hook into something of size. Reels will vary I like 2 speed for live bait so I go with Accurate Dauntless 500N spooled with 65 spectra and change the leader as needed. For jigs and poppers I use a Tranx 500 and Trinidad 16NA. Good luck !
 
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rods are perfecence thing just like reel
some ppl like long rods and some like it shorter
i switch it up myself from time to time
tranx any 8 to 9 rated 15-40
trindad 16 any 8 to 9 rated 25-60
trindad 20 any7-8 rated 30-80
all talica are 7 to 7.6
im using phenix rods up to 50
60 and up are uc rods
 
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Agreed Ricky, the idea is to try combinations and see what feels good and you can fish comfortably with. If I could fish with my UC 76 Viper with my Accurate ATD12 but trying to toss a 3 inch sardine away from the boat and then having to carry those 3 pounds of gear will get tiring really fast. Compared to holding a UC Terminator GP with an Tranx 500 or Accurate Dauntless 500N which weighs a fraction.
 

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this is from my personal expierence
its called a sweet spot
go by class 20-30-40-50-60-80-100
all rods and reel has a sweet spot by perference
chose a setup for that sweet spot and its capable of going up or down one class
most bluefin last year were caught on 40-50-60 lb setup
lupe were 50-60 ocassional 80lb dropper looper for fork 80-100
over year i seens crazy shit happens
30lb setup catching 70-80 lb tuna not ideal but was done multi times
50-60 lb setup catching fish over 100 lb up to 160-170
my advice to u
dont over think too much go fishing and expierence comes from being on the water
the longer the trips -in days-
the more friendly the people are
go out there and make more friends
more friends means u can test thier gear
alotta these ppl have gears and tackle for 3 people on the boat
reel spec dont mean shit rods dont bend the same at a tackle shop live fish does
 
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You've gotten a lot of good suggestion with individual preferences, reels and rods.

Since you are a newbie. I suggest you see what the boat has and borrow/rent some 30 to 40 pound outfits to see what you personally like. Find a sponsored trip, by a reel company and let the charter master know you would like to borrow some equipment. Also many times, those of us that bring too much will be glad to loan you an outfit. Just buy them a beer or something.

On a 5 to 6 day trip, your go to outfit will most like be a 40 pound set up. If you want to throw surface Irons, then a longer rod.

We all have our preferences and I generally use Avet, Accurate reels and Cal Star rods. I like my 7 and 7.5 foot rods. But I am aging and throwing a jig with a 8 or 9 foot rods is no longer on my radar. Oh and as I age, I like the two speed reels.

Welcome to our addictions. And do have FUN.
 

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@Pelon0187. Got anything you could share with a newbie about pairing up his UC rods.
@Pelon0187. Got anything you could share with a newbie about pairing up his UC rods.
It is not always easy to say that reel is great for that rod. We all have different fishing styles so, the way we pair our gear is different. For instance.. I fish my 711 MH with a 200 size bait caster with 20 pound line and I love it!! Someone else might say you nee a 300 or 400 with 50 pound braid. To better understand the need of each person, one be able to understand that persons style. For my heavier gear I tend to us ATD's for the Centaur and up. For my Raptor and other stand up rods for these nicer (not jumbos) I fish Penn Torque and Valients for my standup rods. I tend to fish lighter line to have the capacity on smaller reels. If you think I can help you more, pm me. All I have to say is I love my UC rods and I tried different combos..
 

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I don't take more than i can hold in one hand, the other hand is to swim with....
 

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@Pelon0187. Got anything you could share with a newbie about pairing up his UC rods.
about pairing up his UC rods.
It is not always easy to say that reel is great for that rod. We all have different fishing styles so, the way we pair our gear is different. For instance.. I fish my 711 MH with a 200 size bait caster with 20 pound line and I love it!! Someone else might say you nee a 300 or 400 with 50 pound braid. To better understand the need of each person, one be able to understand that persons style. For my heavier gear I tend to us ATD's for the Centaur and up. For my Raptor and other stand up rods for these nicer (not jumbos) I fish Penn Torque and Valients for my standup rods. I tend to fish lighter line to have the capacity on smaller reels. If you think I can help you more, pm me. All I have to say is I love my UC rods and I tried different combos..
 

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a few boats are seeing a shit load of bluefins offshore
and a few are landed according to my knowledge
and a few buddies told me they are biting 50lb
fishes were 40-mid hundred lb
people dont realize what 50lb test are capable of
also its bait presentation is key
try having a 4 inch bait swim with a 100lb test vs a 50 lb
over the years with 2nd gear with 3rd gear-avet- has changed the game and braid ...so dont be surprise what ur new gear can do
back so time ago long range trips were filled with
50 50w and a few 80 -size reel-
now aday u see alotta 16-20 a few 30w 50 and 50 w
 

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My TP 14k is on the Black Hole Cape Cod Special 86n. Great popping combo! My ‘gosa 10k is on the CB 801h.

You definitely need 20-30-40-50# rigs. While you should be prepared for big fish the odds are far greater that youre looking at schoolies that you need 20-30# for.
 

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My TP 14k is on the Black Hole Cape Cod Special 86n. Great popping combo! My ‘gosa 10k is on the CB 801h.

You definitely need 20-30-40-50# rigs. While you should be prepared for big fish the odds are far greater that youre looking at schoolies that you need 20-30# for.
What other rod would you suggest I use for my TP 14k if I already have the 2 ocea full throttle on my Stella's?

If I were to get the Black hole challenger bank rod ( maybe a 801mh), use 50 lbs braid with a 20-40lb short FC, would I be able to fish it in that range?
 
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What other rod would you suggest I use for my TP 14k if I already have the 2 ocea full throttle on my Stella's?

If I were to get the Black hole challenger bank rod ( maybe a 801mh), use 50 lbs braid with a 20-40lb short FC, would I be able to fish it in that range?
You could go with the 801h for the TP 14k and it’d be great. Looks like you’re set for heavier popping with the 18k’s. If you can, go to the Black Hole booth at the FHS and check out the 801 m,mh and h to see which fits each of your needs.
 
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5 - 7 day trip suggestions.... advanced items... you'll need to be prepared.

You certainly have ALL the suggestions you could ever need for rods, reels, and line. So.... This is my list of "other" smart items you should bring to make your trip more enjoyable. I'm sure your BD brothers will chime in on some of these as well.... or items I may have missed or forgotten to include.

Small spray bottle.... for reel rinsing.
A few microfiber Cloths for cleaning.
Hand sanitizer.
2 Extra carabiners for knot tying.
Finger tape.
Couple of bandanas for your neck.
SUNSCREEN AND Sunblock.
Can of CORROSION X. (not WD40)
Lg. Trash bags if it rains / dirty laundry
AIR FRESHNER for your room (solid)
Small elect. Fan for your room
Super glue....Both gel and liquid
Pile of #40 rubber bands
Lg. Zip lock bags. (lures /reels/etc)
Small hand tools for emergcy reel repair
Couple of light sticks.
Spare flashlight... extra batteries! Headlights work great too!
Bungie cords for rods in rough weather.
Snacks YOU really like.
Some CREW snacks to share never hurts
Extra hat and extra pair of sunglasses
Extra lip balm.
Reusable drink container....you can spot.
Log book for your trip notes.
Board or card games for traveling.

Some velcroed single rod holders or a Rod rack that velcro onto the upper deck rail for spare rods.... not getting hosed all day. Bungies will work for this.

Trolling strap or 2.
Extra zip ties....various sizes.
SMALL personal bait well net.... not needed but nice to have.
Colored elect. or duct tape.
Daily hand rags.
Shower flip flops.


Probably forgot a few....but the others will chime in I'm sure....lol. GOOD LUCK brother!
 
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I you're looking at a 5-7 day trip in the fall check out boats with Guadalupe permits if you'd like to go there. There have been big fish... and bigger sharks there at that time.
 
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1 thing no one ever mentioned to me needing and I never thought of was those Velcro straps to hold your bundle of rods together going to and from the boat. I ordered a pack of 4 for my next trip!! Lol!
Those are table stakes! I take a dozen rods on my 10 days in 2 bundles.
 
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You need some lighter gear, 20-30-40. Chances are you’re going to spend most of the time fishing school tuna, yellows and the like. There could be shots a bigger fish but it isn’t the bread and butter
Look at the fish report boards from last year to get a better idea of what to expect
Don't forget about Guadalupe or the Big Bluefin that's been around the past few years.
 
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