New rail rod foregrip ideas

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  1. Ncfishslayer

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    I am looking to begin work on a rainshadow 84xxh for an August 5 day. I know it's not a true rail rod but I would like to have this capability for use with flat falls dropper loop yellows. Is there any new techniques for building rail rod foregrips? I was looking at rail dawg but it seems no longer available. Has anyone used rubberized cork grips? Do they get slick? Or maybe using proper O.D. radiator hose with foam inside? Is cold shirk a good alternative over edpm? Thank you for your help!
     
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    Hey Robby, I put the batson cold shrink on my 84xxh, works great. I put it right over the hypalon, but the rods I’ve seen most recently put a layer of cork tape or two down on the blank and put the cold shrink over that and use a smaller piece of hypalon near the foregrip where your hand goes.
     
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    I like that. Any experience with edpm vs. Hyalon?
     
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    I haven’t installed any epdm, I did pick some up and compare side by side with hypalon. It’s very similar. The two differences that I noticed is it’s significantly less dense than hypalon. It also has a similar feel to hypalon but was more spongey than the “harder” hypalon I try to use, if you squeeze it, it has some give. If you are gonna use the epdm, I’d strongly suggest not putting it under the cold shrink as the cold shrink will probably compress it down significantly. Best to go with a cork tape section under the cold shrink in that case and keep the epdm only for the hand section.
     
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    Why noe contact saltydawg ....he might sell them.
     
  6. Ncfishslayer

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    I tried he is only selling them in his rods.
     
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    Coldshrink over two layers of cork tape is how I have done it on that blank. You can either put a small piece of hypalon on the end or build a ramp. BTW that is a sweet blank! Good luck and tight lines.
     
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    How bout cold shrink over eva ?
     
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    How a bout doing a tuna cord fore grip?
     
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    Would advantages to Eva be weight and firmer feeling finished product?
     
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    my thought exactly , and if you wanted to remove the cold shrink you would still have a nice for grip on the rod.... dual purpose rod kinda
     
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    My fear of using Eva is that it would deteriorate under the cold shrink with the pressure from sliding down the rail. EVA does not recover from pressure like cork or hypalon. It is not a very dourable materia, all be it light.
     
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    I have found when using hypalon,that if I use the smallest size ID stuff over a much larger OD blank,adds extra firmness to the grip. I installed the 1/2 inch stuff over the butt of many E-glass tuna rods. That is really pushing it though. I did those w/o the aid of JT's rubber cement method of installation.

    I didn't use much EVA for saltwater rods,unless I was adding colored trim rings or doing a rare checkerboard grip. The stuff I used came from Clemens Custom Tackle. Billy Vivona is now selling the same stuff. It is from the same source as Clemens got theirs. The firmness is very dense. Granted,I don't buy alot of it,but that is still my preference today. I still have a bit of the stuff left from Clemens. Perhaps that is a solution... It can be purchased here: http://www.northeastrodbuilders.com/stuff-to-buy/361-2/billy-blocks-eva/

    ****** I feel I should add here that EVA can split if stretched over too large a blank. If reamed to a closer fit,it will be okay. ******

    I think the rubberized cork is a good option for firmness. Frankly,I don't have any desire to do the whole boring/drilling of individual rings and fitting them to the blank. Layers of cork tape are much quicker and easier. With the addition of cold shrink,they should last a reasonably decent period of time. Cord over the cork tape is a good idea as well.
     
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    I use eva on most my personal rods, and I really don't like the feel of hypalon, and the how it gets rough as it ages.....
    I have had very good luck with Eva, but then again I take good care of my equipment....
    I guess yo learn something everyday....
     
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    I've been doing 2 layers of 1/8 " cork tape (ya have to build up diameter )
    Then I put (ya don't have to) heat shrink tubing and then cold shrink with 2 end caps of heat shrink.
    Kinda over kill but that's the way I seem to do things. Why do it when you can over do it!! Haha
    I don't like the way 2 layers of 1/8 cork tape lays down so I've been doing the heat shrink to hold it in place for the cold shrink.
    I like the results.
    Timmy gets credit for this idea he shared with me!
    Thanks Tim!!
     
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    I use same 2 layers of cork tape then very thin two sided tape at the ends and a spiral over the cork. Cold shrink over. The two sided tape can be used for heat shrink too. Steve T. (8 week wonder) came up with the two sided tape idea.
    I like the idea of cold shrink particularly for those UC blanks.
     
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    Wrapping a Viper. Old post, but helpful info. Thanks.
     
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    Same for me on EVA. I really liked the Clemens product. They called it "Custom Grip ll ".
     
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    he wont sell it anymore..
     
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    only on rods he builds and sells ...is my understanding...
     

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