New 2019 Stella SW

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    Price??
     
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    $999.99 for these sizes.
     
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    less than before...good news.
     
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    Should've included the 18k on this pass.
     
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    yea how come the limited sizes? And can you translate the marketing mumbo jumbo into what the actual differences between this and the '13 are?
     
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    $999.99 for theb18k too?
     
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    The main differences are reduction in weight and size. The 8000 size now has a smaller rotor. This means the spools will not interchange between the 8000, 10000 and 14000 sizes. The 8000 size reel is for braided line only. It is not designed for use with mono line.

    Infinity Drive is a friction reducing design for the spool shaft. This eliminates the spool shaft from touching the pinion gear under heavy loads. The result is a handle that is much easier to turn under a load.

    Heat Sink drag utilizes a heat sink plate and some other components to pull heat away from the spool. The result is less drag fade with temperature and reduced damage to line. Braided line and 212 degree heat do not get along. In a long battle the spool temps can peak close to that which causes the line to lose strength. The end result is about a 30% reduction in heat on the spool near the drag surfaces.

    Silent Tune reduces play in some small parts to eliminate the clicks and other noises that can be present in a spinning reel. The drive gear was also redesigned to make less noise and improve the durability slightly.

    X Protect line roller is a new high water resistant design which makes the line roller bearings last 10 times longer. The line roller bearings are the first to take punishment of the salt.

    The rotor weights and designs have been changed to reduce inertia. This means easier start and stop of the rotor while working lures.

    The handles have changed slightly to make it easier to convey power.
     
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    There is no 18000 at this time. Additional sizes will come later and I am sure the pricing will be different.
     
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    In case you’re curious, here is the spool compatibility table.

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    Any idea when to expect the 14000 size at retailers?
     
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    The reels will begin shipping in March/April
     
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    interesting about the drive gears, the '08 had stainless and the 13's went to brass, increase in price and weight decrease in quality and tolerance. Shimano just thinks their consumers are idiots at times, other times they are way ahead of the curve.
     
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    The pinion gear has always been brass and the drive gear has been cold forged aluminum.
     
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    Sorry but 2001 and 2013 have brass pinion gears, the 2008 stepped up and had stainless pinions, I misspoke about the main gear, you're correct it's duralumin with infused bronze.

    Also 2008 was 100% ARB bearings, 2013 went with a mix of ARB and no ARB, some were made in Thailand. Quality and tolerances suffered with the 2013 models, clearly trying to save a few bucks. The 2008's were all about beating the Saltiga with no concerns about cost, different story with the 2013. Better drag, but less quality and less casting distance.
     
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    Yes my mistake you are correct about the stainless pinion on the original SW. I forgot about that. What you do not realize is many tests were conducted and they changed to a hardened brass pinion because it was more durable with the new gear designs. Material type of one part doesn't matter. The gearing works as a system essentially. The material type of the drive gear matters when designing the pinion gear to go with it. Then there is the anodize process which hardens aluminum. Then there are special coatings that also alter the hardness. No I am not going to give specifics we use as most of it is proprietary.

    Stainless is decent against corrosion but it is not the end all material for gears. There are different types of stainless steel. Hardness varies a lot between the types. Stainless was easier to machine and offered good corrosion resistance, That is why it was used for many years in fishing reels. We place emphasis on gear strength and durability. Nobody in the industry is making spinning drive gears the way we do. Shimano is very good at cold forging and gear design.

    We changed to S-ARB bearings in the SW models. The bearings coming out of Thailand are actually pretty decent. The reason for the "mix" of bearings had to do with testing results for flex, durability, grease fill, corrosion resistance, etc; Color varies on the ARB bearings. The early open bearings were darker in color. I could show you a pile of bearings in our parts drawer and you would see variation in the coloring. This is true of the older ARB bearings we first started using. Some are brighter, some are darker. The color means nothing to the corrosion resistance of the bearings. Using a shield is much better than an open bearing to prevent salt intrusion. Thailand actually has good manufacturing capabilities as well.

    The parallel body on the 2013 Stella SW was done for making the handle easier to turn while fighting a fish. When a rod is loaded the spool angle to the stripper guide was better. Yes there was a result of reduced casting distance with certain rods paired with some of the smaller sizes. In Japan they tend to use more parabolic rods that load more for the cast and the fight.

    There were no tolerance issues with the previous SW model. The water resistance seals changed the way the reels feel. Trust me I see almost every Stella that comes in here for service. The condition the the B models is typically much better than the silver SW model. They have less corrosion issues and the gears last much longer.
     
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    I'll be interested in seeing Alan Hawk's review of the new Shimano Stella SW and how it stacks up against the Okuma Makaira! It should be very interesting reading. Eventually I hope to purchase a high end saltwater spinner and I can only afford one like so many people. The Stella for sure is a fine reel; more of a Ferrari in my thinking and the new comer Okuma Makaira is the up and coming challenger that is less expensive but at the same time with less of any established record. It sure seems to have some impressive attributes for us poorer types that may just tip the scales in its favor especially to us old farts that the reel will surely last longer than we will live. And who does not like an underdog to succeed since so many of us fit into that very category ourselves? Okuma has come a long ways over the last years making a serious effort to become a major player in the market of top tier reels so I for one give them their due credit for that. That is not any slight to Shimano as I have and fish many of their fine products. Competition is always good for us consumers as it spurs ever better products coming out for us to purchase.
     
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