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I could use some advice regarding set ups. I've been building up my gear to be optimal for 1.5-2 day trips out of the landings here in San Diego Ideally would like to only bring 3 rods with me and 4 when there's big bluefin biting. I have two rigs so far being:

Light setup (Flyline): Okuma Cavella 5N two speed with 30lb braid/30lb top shot on an Okuma PCH 761M Rod (Plan to fish this with 20lb, 25lb or 30lb floro leaders depending on what's biting and what the crew is recommending)
Medium setup (Flyline/Coltsniper): AVET MXJ 6/4 two speed with 50LB braid/50lb top shot on an Okuma PCH 701XH Rod (Plan to fish this with 40/50lb floro leader or coltsniper)

This leads to my heavy set up. I currently have a DIAWA Proteus 76HF rated for 55-100lb braid. I was thinking of picking up an Avet EX 30/2, Penn 16 VISX or MAK 16/20. Spooling it with 100lb braid/100lb top shot and using it as my heavier rig for the time being (this is with the understanding of treating it as a light 80lb rig). I figure as long as there aren't 200+lb cows biting I should be fine and equipped to handle a bigger fish. Again, I know it's not an ideal rod to pair, but having my own gear, even if it's not perfect is better than renting at the landing every time (last trip I rented a 100Lb set up and it was never put to use hence why I'm considering this). I do plan to pick up a true rail rod and switch the reel over when the cows come back and that's the target fish. When this happens I can pick up a Fathom40 or similar to pair with the Proteus. Anyone have any thoughts or comments on this setup? I just want to make sure it's fishable for the time being.

Overall I want to buy quality gear that will last me a life time vs cheaper gear. It's more expensive upfront, and I don't have all the money in the world to drop $700 on a MAK 20 and $350 on a Rail rod in one swoop. But I'm getting what I need when I can. Having 3 rigs right now that can be used on 1.5day trips would allow me to go fishing more often, and that's kind of the point. Spend more time on the water.
 
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    ...Okuma PCH 701XH Rod (Plan to fish this with 40/50lb floro leader or coltsniper)
    ...DIAWA Proteus 76HF rated for 55-100lb braid. I was thinking of picking up an Avet EX 30/2, Penn 16 VISX or MAK 16/20. Spooling it with 100lb braid/100lb top shot and using it as my heavier rig for the time being (this is with the understanding of treating it as a light 80lb rig)...

    On paper, the PRTB76HF is a 40lb rod and the PCH-C-701XH is a 40/50 lb rod because those are in the respective mid-ranges. Asking the PRTB76HF to do duty three line classes above at 80lb may not end well.

    There are 5'6' - 6'0' 40-100 old school rods that can be had on SD Craigslist or BD Classifieds that would serve better for 80lb...at $100 or under. Maybe shorter than what most people prefer now but at least it's in the proper rating range.
     
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    Is that MXJ a Raptor? If so, good, if it’s a std MXJ I wouldn’t fish it above 30#.
     
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    On paper, the PRTB76HF is a 40lb rod and the PCH-C-701XH is a 40/50 lb rod because those are in the respective mid-ranges. Asking the PRTB76HF to do duty three line classes above at 80lb may not end well.

    There are 5'6' - 6'0' 40-100 old school rods that can be had on SD Craigslist or BD Classifieds that would serve better for 80lb...at $100 or under. Maybe shorter than what most people prefer now but at least it's in the proper rating range.
    So are rods are rated based on the mid range mono recommendations? Braid is listed at 55-100lb for the PRTB76HF which is why I was considering using it as such. The heavier gear is a bit new to me, and I truly appreciate the advice.

    From what it sound like, best bet would be to keep my avet set up the same. Switch the cavella over to the PRTB76HF and sell off the 761M pch rod it’s currently paired with.

    From there buy one of the reels I previously mentioned and find a rod rated at 40-100 mono or higher to pair it with. I’m not against paying for quality gear as I truly believe in the saying “buy once, cry once” I just want to go about it in the right way.
     
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    Is that MXJ a Raptor? If so, good, if it’s a std MXJ I wouldn’t fish it above 30#.
    It’s a MXJ G2. Everything I’ve read says 50lb should be fine. The set up is mostly meant to be for bigger yellowtail, dorado and school grade yellowfin. Something a bit more beefy than the okuma setup.
     
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    The MXJ 6/4 G2 is good for up to 40#… it should get up to 13# of drag at strike. Above that and you’ll wreck the pinion bearing.
     
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    The MXJ 6/4 G2 is good for up to 40#… it should get up to 13# of drag at strike. Above that and you’ll wreck the pinion bearing.
    Copy. I appreciate the info. I’ll definitely keep that in mind. I certainly don’t plan on using the MXJ to catch 50lb+ tuna on purpose. In all honesty I bought it with the mindset of yellowtail. For those bigger grade tuna, I plan to pick up a true 50-65lb setup for that purpose (currently looking at a Avet LX G2)
     
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    So are rods are rated based on the mid range mono recommendations? Braid is listed at 55-100lb for the PRTB76HF which is why I was considering using it as such. The heavier gear is a bit new to me, and I truly appreciate the advice.

    You are now deep into the murky waters of the newfangled "braid" ratings...the old mono ratings made far more sense since mono or fluoro will most likely be on the tag end. The "sweet spot" of the rod is more likely to be in between rather than the lower or upper end of factory rating. Reasonable rule-of-thumb is to halve the braid rating and that will be the ballpark mono/fluoro rating.

    ...I certainly don’t plan on using the MXJ to catch 50lb+ tuna on purpose. In all honesty I bought it with the mindset of yellowtail. For those bigger grade tuna, I plan to pick up a true 50-65lb setup for that purpose (currently looking at a Avet LX G2)

    A more reasonable approach is to focus on the line and the corresponding drag settings rather than on the potential fish since the fight and size of fish can vary significantly. Do you have confidence that you have sufficient line capacity and drag for the forthcoming fight? 40lb test with 13lbs max drag from top-of-spool can certainly land 50+ lb tuna since 30lb test with 8-9 lbs max drag can do it:

    Oh, and IMHO, having the braid main one weight class higher than the top shot is rule-of-thumb minimum up to 40lb. 50lbs is where braid = mono could start to be use (in a pinch). 65lb braid to 60lb top shot is fine. No hesitation with 80+ lb with braid = mono.

    YMMV.
     
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    Copy. I appreciate the info. I’ll definitely keep that in mind. I certainly don’t plan on using the MXJ to catch 50lb+ tuna on purpose. In all honesty I bought it with the mindset of yellowtail. For those bigger grade tuna, I plan to pick up a true 50-65lb setup for that purpose (currently looking at a Avet LX G2)
    Get the Raptor! I use a JX Raptor w/400 yds of 65# braid and a 50# topshot. For 60#, I use a HX Raptor and a Mak 15T.
     
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    You are now deep into the murky waters of the newfangled "braid" ratings...the old mono ratings made far more sense since mono or fluoro will most likely be on the tag end. The "sweet spot" of the rod is more likely to be in between rather than the lower or upper end of factory rating. Reasonable rule-of-thumb is to halve the braid rating and that will be the ballpark mono/fluoro rating.



    A more reasonable approach is to focus on the line and the corresponding drag settings rather than on the potential fish since the fight and size of fish can vary significantly. Do you have confidence that you have sufficient line capacity and drag for the forthcoming fight? 40lb test with 13lbs max drag from top-of-spool can certainly land 50+ lb tuna since 30lb test with 8-9 lbs max drag can do it:

    Oh, and IMHO, having the braid main one weight class higher than the top shot is rule-of-thumb minimum up to 40lb. 50lbs is where braid = mono could start to be use (in a pinch). 65lb braid to 60lb top shot is fine. No hesitation with 80+ lb with braid = mono.

    YMMV.
    Firstly, thank you for the response. Incredibly helpful.

    As far as fishing, I tend to fish a bit light on the drag, I’ll let the rod and reel do their job and tire the fish out. The only time I ever touch the drag after a hook up is in the rare event my spool is looking a bit light. The MXJ has 400yds of braid and 20 or so of top shot. So certainly enough line capacity to fish comfortably. My comment was more so saying. If the school is bigger, I’m not going to make the choice to put something under powered in the water.

    I appreciate the information on braid to top shot. I will definitely switch out the top shots on the two reels I have to be 25lb and 40lb respectively.
     
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    ...As far as fishing, I tend to fish a bit light on the drag, I’ll let the rod and reel do their job and tire the fish out...

    Be mindful that on a sportboat fishing with 24+ of your newest "best" friends, the longer your line is out with a fish on, the higher the probabilty of someone else tangling you, increasing as the fish gets closer to the boat. Get it to gaff ASAP...
     
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    Always very vigilant when fishing on a crowded boat. Following my line and my fish at all times. I don’t fish with my drag so low that it causes issues by any means.
     
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    Not always yourself that needs due diligence...sometimes FUBAR happens to the right or left of you, and you're just collateral damage in spite of all efforts to be otherwise.
     
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    I'd go with a Fathom 25nld2 one of the most versatile reels out there and with the new Gen 2 coming out can be had for under $250. Add a fathom 40 2spd and match the rods and you're good to go.
     
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    I'd go with a Fathom 25nld2 one of the most versatile reels out there and with the new Gen 2 coming out can be had for under $250. Add a fathom 40 2spd and match the rods and you're good to go.
    I appreciate the insight. It’s looking like I’ll go with a fathom40 for my 65lb rig and pick up a Penn visx 12 for my heavy.
     
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    Copy. I appreciate the info. I’ll definitely keep that in mind. I certainly don’t plan on using the MXJ to catch 50lb+ tuna on purpose. In all honesty I bought it with the mindset of yellowtail. For those bigger grade tuna, I plan to pick up a true 50-65lb setup for that purpose (currently looking at a Avet LX G2)
    I’ve caught 50# tuna with my original MXJ fishing 25#! When fishing 40# line you can target fish much bigger than 50#! I got an 85# BFT on 30# fishing 10# of drag at strike. I’ve seen fish > 100# caught on 40#. Most people set their drag at 1/3 the line rating at strike… some use 30%. Most lines test well above its nominal rating so 33% is a good number! While the G2 is really what the originals should’ve been, for fishing higher test line with a smaller reel the Raptor is the way to go for not much more money… pay once, cry once except the extra price you pay for the Raptor doesn’t make you cry!
     
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    I appreciate the insight. It’s looking like I’ll go with a fathom40 for my 65lb rig and pick up a Penn visx 12 for my heavy.
    The 40nld2 for 50-80 and the VISX 16 for 80-100 and the VISX 20 for a rock solid 100. For those line classes I use Avet Raptors and Makaira‘s but the Penn’s are right there too... if I woke up and my reels turned into Penn‘s I wouldn’t shed a tear. I use a fth25nld2 and JX 6/3 for 40#.
     
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    The 40nld2 for 50-80 and the VISX 16 for 80-100 and the VISX 20 for a rock solid 100. For those line classes I use Avet Raptors and Makaira‘s but the Penn’s are right there too... if I woke up and my reels turned into Penn‘s I wouldn’t shed a tear. I use a fth25nld2 and JX 6/3 for 40#.
    Only reason I’m going Penn over Maks is having $300 in Amazon credits to use up haha.
     
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    That works! I’ve seen plenty of 150#+ BFT caught on the 40nld2. As the fish get bigger the rod matters a lot! A good, less expensive rod like an Okuma PCH-C-741XXH will get it done fishing 60-80#! I mostly use UC, Phenix and Okuma PCH rods… and some Seeker/Calstar/Shimanos too.
     
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    That works! I’ve seen plenty of 150#+ BFT caught on the 40nld2. As the fish get bigger the rod matters a lot! A good, less expensive rod like an Okuma PCH-C-741XXH will get it done fishing 60-80#! I mostly use UC, Phenix and Okuma PCH rods… and some Seeker/Calstar/Shimanos too.
    I’ve been liking the plum pch rods. By the way. Once again, I really appreciate all the information.
     
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    Not looking to hijack your thread, May1ene, but I am going to be selling my 60lb setup, which is a Fathom40 NLD2 spooled with 80lb braid, on top of a Rainshadow RCJB 84XXH from Charkbait (7ft rod). Planned on listing it here on BD sometime this week. I can tell you it works on Lupe-sized YFT because it's what I used there last year. You'd get a very solid 60lb setup with this.

    Only reason for letting it go is I moved up to an RGP 80 Terminator + Mak15T for my 60lb setup. I'd let the above go for $450, including the braid on the reel if you are interested. Located in MT, you would pay shipping. PM me if interested. If not good luck with your quest building out your setups.
     
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