Need idea on what guides were used on this mid 1980s Sabre rod

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    Any idea what brand of guides these are? The pics are from 2 different Sabre rods from the same mid 80s period.
    Who might sell the ones I need to repair them back to stock?
    Anybody have a catalog from that period that might have the blanks listed?
    My wife "accidentally" sold my custom built 5'6" tuna rod by Yo years ago and I'm trying to replicate it as close as possible.
    Thanks 20181119_174103.jpg 20181119_174122.jpg 20181119_174049.jpg
     
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    Stainless nonbraced.
     
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    Perfection
     
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    Call Randy at United composite he will know for sure. I’m going to say Varmac’s.
     
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    Yep... stainless steel Perfection guides. You can get similar replacements from Sav On - last time I bought components they had the braced and non-braced in stock.
     
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    Perfection, you can get similar guides from mudhole too. The newer ones hold up better than the old perfections and the rings are centered in the frames better. If it's a wall hanger and you're a stickler for 100% correct use perfection,shouldn't be hard to find them on ebay or something
     
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    I get mine from Mudhole, braced and unbraced. Good luck on the Carbaloy tip, though. I haven't been able to find them anywhere, and the tips they have will cut fairly soon so I've gone to the insert type (available in chrome).
     
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    Mudhole has the carboloy tips too, those chrome ones are junk.
     
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    Perfection for sure. Carbaloy tip. I have both. What sizes do you need?
     
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    If they’re stainless and you have the missing ring you could rework them pretty easy.
     
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    Perhaps. But why,other than keeping the wraps original? I have never brazed my own rings for jigs so perhaps I'm wrong here. If the frame got too hot and heat dispersed through to the guide feet it could potentially compromise the blank.
     
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    I would resistance weld them, or silver solder.

    Any number of ways to keep the blank cool.
     
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    Thank you,that's helpful info to have.
     
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    That's one of the Sabre Californians. I've repaired or rewrapped dozens of them. The guides are everywhere. You can get them at almost any tackle shop or on line from Acidrod, Getbit Outdoors, Mudhole etc. for a couple of bucks each. The thread is easy to match. The underwrap is Gudebrod #221 orange nylon. The overwrap is just dark brown NCP. If you are careful you can cut off the brown overwrap and save the underwrap. Any decent rodwrapper or tackle shop should be able to repair it in a couple of minutes.
     
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    Aren’t the rings heavier than Perfections?
     
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    About the same, perfections rings went centered in the frame very well and they weren't attached as strong either. The ones now are a little better quality. Reattaching the ring would be possible but a giant PIA compared to just wrapping a new one on.
     
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    Please tell me you meant your X-wife! J/K!!

    Welcome to BD Roland. Wraps look really good on that classic.
     
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    Mike's right, most of the time you can save the underwraps. On the Californian Sabres I've rewrapped the overwrap tunnels were never filled in well if at all,easy. Light sand the underwrap, and put your guide on and rewrap, finish.
     

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