Nados, Yellos, beached boat and an IMPORTANT LESSON

lougio

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We cruised over there after hearing about it on the vhf and talked to one of the boaters that had responded offering a bilge pump. But these guys were already on it and did all they could do to help.
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I'm wondering about the Sea Tow non-response. That happened to us a few weeks back when we had some battery issues. Sea Tow actually never responded to any vhf calls. It wasn't until we were within cell phone range that I called the national number. The new owner and local Capt Jared is an ass. We are changing tow service. Good on you guys that responded quickly.
 
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muletrain

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Good karma coming your way.

So sad to see such a beautiful boat in the water

Glad to hear everyone is ok. That’s what is most important.

Thanks for sharing
 

MYNomad

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I'm wondering about the Sea Tow non-response. That happened to us a few weeks back when we had some battery issues. Sea Tow actually never responded to any vhf calls. It wasn't until we were within cell phone range that I called the national number. The new owner and local Capt Jared is an ass. We are changing tow service. Good on you guys that responded quickly.
Sea Tow is not there to save lives or property, only to tow you in. If you are grounded, etc., then at the discretion of the local captain, SeaTow (actually, the local franchisee) can charge salvage, which can be HUGE. If not life/property threatening, they should have hailed the USCG, and asked USCG to contact Sea Tow. I don't belong to any tow service (but my insurance policy offers full reimbursement of towing costs with far fewer limitations than the membership tow services) who would have patched in Sea Tow. If Sea Tow had refused service in those circumstances, there would have been hell to pay. And if I need a tow, and am willing to pay commercially reasonable rates (which I absolutely am, since I have insurance), then considering that commercial rates are huge compared to what SeaTow pays its franchisees, who do you think the franchisee will tow first, me or the SeaTow member.
 

Fish Asassin

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Spent the day fishing the Coronado's on Saturday. We caught a few and lost too many to both stupidity and Sea Lions. Better than some, not as good as others....

At around 2 pm we heard a mayday call come over the radio and were first on the scene. Essentially these guys lost their bilge pump and by the time they realized it, it was too late. They started taking on water and ended beaching their boat in the cove at the middle islands.

We gave them a spare bilge pump and a manual pump and they tried everything they could to get the water out. Unfortunately the wave action destroyed their hull and the boat was deemed no longer seaworthy. A few of us swam out to the boat to try and help them but the minute we got to shore and based on all the bits of fiberglass on the beach it was apparent that this was now a salvage operation. We called the coast guard and they advised us that they will inform the Mexican authorities. In the end we brought the fishermen back to San Diego with as much gear as they could get off the boat. They were super grateful and were happy to be safe. This could have been much much worse. Imagine this happening at the 302 with no one around?

A $50 part cost them a boat worth thousands... thank goodness for insurance...

I have a few things to say as it relates to Bilge Pumps....:

1) Never, never, never rely on 1 bilge pump. The proper way to do it is to have 1 main bilge that you check before each trip. You should at least install a second pump positioned two inches higher, this pump should also be connected to a water alarm, so if it goes off you know there is an issue. Personally I have three plus a spare.

2) Always carry a spare pump, in fact I keep a pump with its own wire, and hose. If there is an issue I can connect it straight to the battery and I don't need to worry about faulty wiring.

3) Always carry a manual pump and buckets just in case things are really bad...

4) I honestly don't understand the open transom boats. To me this is a huge safety issue. Every boat that I have owned I have either enclosed the transom or at least filled in most of the gap with fiberglass plate.

At the end of the day, we need to be very aware of safety. You probably should also consult with an expert on this. Water safety needs to be everyone's priority.

I am sure there will be many opinions on this so have at it.

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RUNNOFT

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Great thread.
I would add even with a backup pump that a manual pump and buckets are always crucial to have on board in case your battery also fails. You never can be too safe.
You can potentially have a manual pump for each passenger instead of relying on 1 guy to pump as fast as possible.
Can’t stress this one enough . Few years back while sport commercial fishing off the Columbia river we started taking in water on a 40 ft Viking 45 miles out. A tag team of buckets and hand pump kept enough water out to identify the area of intrusion and fix, which was a busted hose on a thru Hull for cooling. We had about 6 inches of stern still above water at the lowest point

Stressful to the max, but kept calm and worked through the issues. Continued on after fix and killed 95 tuna fir the day.

Buckets and hand pumps can move a lot of water when motivated

Few weeks earlier had a medivac at sea, with the coast guard dropping a basket on the deck for a crew memember who was having a heart attack.

Few weeks after the “sinking incident” hit a full size tree 49 miles out that bent the shafts and finally put the old horse out to pasture...some bad juju on that boat....glad I survived
 

stanky1

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The length of the boat involved is not known by me, but if it is under 20 ft it should be foam filled and designed for level flotation when swamped. If that is the case, it might be wiser to let the foam do what it was designed to do, rather than attempt a beaching on a rocky shore or through large surf on a sandy beach.
 

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this boat had a notched transom which lets in a little bit of water each time a small wave hits the back. They owner had a single bilge pump which broke therefore the transom was lower in the water. he said that within 30 seconds of noticing the issue he was ankle deep in water. lots of decisions were made in a hurry and hindsite is 20/20, right. For example if he had gone over to the sandy beach by the mex navy this would not have been an issue.

the boat was a 18' larson 1986 and the motor was a 115 hp 2015 Yamaha so all the value is in the motor.

due to international salvage rights i reckon a Panga operator in Mexico is stoked right now.....
 
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Zululander

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We went through all the proper protocols and talked with both the coast guard and sea tow. When we saw all the shards of fiberglass on the beach it became absolutely evident that the boat would no longer float.

Sea tow can tow you, but dont expect them to save you.
 

Long Beach Bob

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On my 3 Rule pumps, I put a square of plastic window screen material between the pump and slotted bracket, secured with a plastic quick-tie..it still clamps into place and prevents leaves, hair, etc from getting sucked into the pump, creating a blockage...I .change all hoses every 10 years and check them monthly...and, I carry a 5 gallon bucket for backup...
 
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I heard the entire thing unfold from La Jolla. You did an amazing job. A few things to note would have been an extra bilge pump, it seemed to me there was enough time to plane and head in as he still had full engine control (wasn't physically there), and get Sea Tow. I heard on the radio that they wanted $8k for a non-member to drag him back....I learned a lot from this scenario unfolding on the VHF.....thanks and glad everyone is alright.
 

rrhyne

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Thanks for all these tips and kudos to the OP who provided assistance and posted for us all to refresh and learn. Two anecdotes, which may prove helpful:

1) The skipper who said verify your pumps by seeing them pump water is 100% correct. My father had a bilge pump impeller break. I've had the shaft break on a bait pump. These two pumps sounded like they were working just fine, but neither pumped water.

2) Debris in the bilge could cost you your life. I purchased a boat that sat for a while and collected small leaves in the bilge. My best efforts at cleaning it out did not get all the leaves hidden under the deck. Leaving a paper towel in the hull (which made it's way to the bilge) did not help the situation. I only found out 13 miles off oceanside on my first trip with it. The boat was filling up and the pump was running, but had no water getting to it to pump. Unscrewing a bilge pump in 3 foot seas with poor bilge access is not fun, but you can do it pretty fast when scared.
 
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Low N Slow

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Pretty sure I saw the boat yesterday. It's no longer at the middle grounds, but beached by the Mexican Navy base at the cove on the south island. Not sure why they moved it there... if it's the same boat.
 

backlashjack

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Is the engine salvageable?
You bet it WAS salvageable. Got the call from our friend (who we were supposed to buddy boat with the following day) that his boat is beached at the Coronado's, went thru hell. Sea Tow sucks (wouldn't help him because he "beached" it - gotta be at sea, not on Mexican soil), would bring him a bilge for $$$ and he would have to pay $$$$$$$$$$$$ for every foot they pulled him off the rocks. His hull got hammered from the waves and rocks.
Saw "Fishoon" the next morning. It was stripped the best I could see. Someone definitely has a nice outboard now on their panga. Got too close and one of the guys from Brokeback island came hard charging down the hill, like, "stay away from my claim beeyotches".
Real bummer Ty, very sad to see your girl there.

This guy is like "Score!" GTFO!
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You bet it WAS salvageable. Got the call from our friend (who we were supposed to buddy boat with the following day) that his boat is beached at the Coronado's, went thru hell. Sea Tow sucks (wouldn't help him because he "beached" it - gotta be at sea, not on Mexican soil), would bring him a bilge for $$$ and he would have to pay $$$$$$$$$$$$ for every foot they pulled him off the rocks. His hull got hammered from the waves and rocks.
Saw "Fishoon" the next morning. It was stripped the best I could see. Someone definitely has a nice outboard now on their panga. Got too close and one of the guys from Brokeback island came hard charging down the hill, like, "stay away from my claim beeyotches".
Real bummer Ty, very sad to see your girl there.

This guy is like "Score!" GTFO!View attachment 1054610 View attachment 1054609
I thought the boat was falling apart? How did it get to the sandy beach? Glad the guys are safe but WE HAVE SO MANY QUESTIONS. This should be used as a learning experience for all of us. I for one will be placing an order for a spare bilge pump to connect straight to the battery in an emergency.
 

Sdchronix

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I thought the boat was falling apart? How did it get to the sandy beach? Glad the guys are safe but WE HAVE SO MANY QUESTIONS. This should be used as a learning experience for all of us. I for one will be placing an order for a spare bilge pump to connect straight to the battery in an emergency.
Not sure, but pretty sure it was there the Sunday after it happened. At least that's where I recall seeing it. Not sure how they moved it.
 

Guy Schneider

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This is a great thread. Kudos to everyone for trying to help us all stay afloat and fishing.

Started planning out a backup bilge project this weekend and did some research on all the topics to identify points of failure and decisions so I did it right (the first time): backup location, float location, T vs 2nd thru hull, riser loop, power, connectors. Actually quite a bit to consider to get it all to work right and limit failure, especially if your offshore running on 12v battery power (some of those pumps pull as much as 14 amps).

Came across this great article written by a surveyor - candid and to the point. Shares some details and veteran tips I did not consider. Thought I would share it here.

https://www.yachtsurvey.com/bilge_pumps.htm

Also, some old dude once told me the best $5 you can spend on your boat is on a nerf football. Its water resistant, pliable, can be cut down to size, compresses and expands to fit into any type of breech - plugs are great but only work in round holes of similar size. Never had to use one but seems to make since.

Good fishing!
 

gonzo25

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I was also out there on Saturday and heard the frustration with your communication to Sea Tow . You should be commended Captain for responding to help them . Their situation could have been a lot worse if they had not beached it . The islands are not a forgiving place to be at if things go bad . I currently don’t have a spare bilge for emergencies . But Amazon will take care of that . I have two bilge pumps on boat but a spare seems like a no brainer . I will rig it so I can attach to batteries in an emergency . It’s good to know there are Captains like yourself who will help another boater . I know it took you away from fishing for awhile and that you also returned them to Shelter Island . Hopefully they take you out to dinner or buy you a case of beer for you next trip !! Good job
It's hard for me to imagine that people wouldn't respond to a may day like this, aside that it could be you next time, all the moral and common sense reasons, it is also maritime law that you respond to any mayday and offer assistance.

a lot of comments here about getting a back up pump, if youre going to have a back up, make it a manual one. You can find your self in a situation where you are losing battery or want to save some for lights and radio so they can find your ass. I have been in that situation where your bilge pumps aren't working and you have a lot more water in the bilge than you want and it is a fucked one to be in. Trust me you will want something that will move some water and move it now. when i was looking at manual pumps and the amount they pump per minute I couldn't help think about the rule 1100 gph which would be 18 per min. and in reality is 4, and these are advertised at quarts per min. What i ended up with is a little expensive, $40 at harbor freight, a little big and heavy, but it pumps 10 gal a minute. it is a barrel transfer pump. Trust me if given a choice of pumps these guys would have wanted this one and probably would have saved their boat. I am a little extreme but like one of the posts above, I don't want to go into the water either... was on a friends boat last year and we ended up in the water and it really isn't all that much fun.
 

reel therapy

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I was going to post that. Works pretty well. Good method to know.

I was going to post that. Works pretty well. Good method to know.

FYI.... That trick does not work with a Triumph 210 or 215, because the drain plug is in the inside of the boat, on the deck towards the stern, and drains out of the bottom of the boat!! It's the only slight flaw I see with Triumph boats... Other than that I can name a hundred bitchin things about the Triumph boats!
Props to the captain of the Grady-White, and any others that rushed to their brother boater for help! I can speak for myself and would cut my line in a heartbeat to save somebody hoping they would do the same for me!
 
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