NaCl or new lexa 400

IronOnly

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by no means im an expert but to have 4 different lexas fail its kind odd, and i dont think there's much difference from the old and the new lexas beside the color and higher gears , the more you abuse a tool the greater the chances to breakdown and it apply to anything its just physics
I did some research and there a re a lot of differences from the old to the new especially in the gears, i was mainly asking for first hand experience
 

johndtuttle

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Not buying any of it. However, I am willing to be edumakated...:)

You got spooled by a "15lb yellow" on a Revor Toro S....tell me how you estimated the size?

And then the drag failed on brand new $400 reel the Toro Beast on a "6lb bass"....riiight...

Tell me when you were fishing these reels please?
 
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tanner.s

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Not buying any of it. However, I am willing to be edumakated...:)

You got spooled by a "15lb yellow" on a Revor Toro S....tell me how you estimated the size?

And then the drag failed on brand new $400 reel the Toro Beast on a "6lb bass"....riiight...

Tell me when you were fishing these reels please?
I've had the first gen Lexas for a long time fishing everything one can imagine up to 40lbs with zero instances of failure. I ain't buying these horror stories either lol. If you can't stop a 15lb yellow with 22lbs of drag, I don't think you understand how drag works lol.
 

hucklongfin

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15# YT? Was probably an 8#er with delusions of grandeur.

I had my son's NaCl 50 with drags that were stuttering out of the box. Probably had some oil on the washers. I cleaned them and hit them with some Cal's grease and now they're nice and smooth. Another one out of the box wouldn't go back into gear until I took it apart and reassembled it.

The Lexa 300 and 400's have had no issues. Both Lexa's have caught lots of good fish. The 300 has YT and 6# Calicos. The 400 has YT, YFT and a Wahoo and is still fine.
 

johndtuttle

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I've had the first gen Lexas for a long time fishing everything one can imagine up to 40lbs with zero instances of failure. I ain't buying these horror stories either lol. If you can't stop a 15lb yellow with 22lbs of drag, I don't think you understand how drag works lol.
Who knows, but there are definitely holes in this guy's stories...Still thinking that maybe he is not aware of the similarlity of the names of the Revo Toro Beast (brand new reel 350 size offshore reel) and the Revo Beast (200 Size Bass reel released last year), the Revo Toro (size 200 Bass reel) and the Revo Toro S (brand new 350 size offshore reel).

Let alone that he has a bro in Minnesota sending him $700 in reels to play with...but who knows...if he has some unbelievable hook up in MN as they have had the reels for about 2 weeks out there....:)
 
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IronOnly

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Who knows, but there are definitely holes in this guy's stories...Still thinking that maybe he is not aware of the similarlity of the names of the Revo Toro Beast (brand new reel 350 size offshore reel) and the Revo Beast (200 Size Bass reel released last year), the Revo Toro (size 200 Bass reel) and the Revo Toro S (brand new 350 size offshore reel).

Let alone that he has a bro in Minnesota sending him $700 in reels to play with...but who knows...if he has some unbelievable hook up in MN as they have had the reels for about 2 weeks out there....:)
First off the reels do not equal out to be $700, the toro beast is $339 and the toro s is $229 which equals to $568, not $700. Second, Abu sent my buddy the reels August 20th and i got them August 26th and then fished them on the 27th and 29th. When i hooked the yellow on the toro s i could not tighten the drag anymore, it could have just been a fluke, i personally wouldn't take the chance on buying that reel and possibly having it happen again. With the revo beast, i had landed plenty of calico bass during that day and then towards the end of the trip i hooked a 6lber and all of a sudden the reel basically went into freespool and i lost the fish. i took the reel apart and sat that the drag washer was broken and the drag plate was bent. Oh and i am 100% sure you are not the only person west of the Mississippi who has both reels.
 

Bob_Benner

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Lexas are notorious for breaking down. SO many complaints to Daiwa at trade shows it's unbelievable. My 400 HD seized on the second trip out and I was only using for Halibut in the bay.
 

kantstudien

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If you have such good "tackle hookups" and experience with both reels, then why are you asking for the opinions of strangers on a forum?
 

johndtuttle

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First off the reels do not equal out to be $700, the toro beast is $339 and the toro s is $229 which equals to $568, not $700. Second, Abu sent my buddy the reels August 20th and i got them August 26th and then fished them on the 27th and 29th. When i hooked the yellow on the toro s i could not tighten the drag anymore, it could have just been a fluke, i personally wouldn't take the chance on buying that reel and possibly having it happen again. With the revo beast, i had landed plenty of calico bass during that day and then towards the end of the trip i hooked a 6lber and all of a sudden the reel basically went into freespool and i lost the fish. i took the reel apart and sat that the drag washer was broken and the drag plate was bent. Oh and i am 100% sure you are not the only person west of the Mississippi who has both reels.


List on the Revo Toro S is $249 and the Revo Toro Beast is $399. $650 plus sales tax is $700.

1. Pretty sure you are mistaking the older reels for the brand new larger reels.

2. Abu did not start shipping the reels until after the first week in September to retailers.

3. Pretty sure you aren't able to bend a stainless steel drag washer fightin' a bass or break a drag washer when it is between stainless ones. I'd have to see the washers to believe it. As well, the Revo Toro Beast has a rather unique method to assemble the drag. Maybe you would tell us about it?

4. Pretty sure I know what I am talking about when I say I am probably one of the only people out here that has both reels already (that doesn't work for Abu).

5. Please tell me the name of your buddy's shop in Minnesota.

6. Photos or bullshit.

Look dude, the point is that things don't add up with you...you get 2 very expensive state of the art reels sent to you before they are available to regular guys, yet you post asking about older models like you are worried about spending your money....You don't know enough to make it understood you are thinking about the new Lexa 400HD ("the blue one") and more or less are giving the impression that you are talking out your ass like kids are prone to do...Confusing model names is understandable (granted easy to do with Abu)...But,I mean seriously, why doesn't your bro who owns the shop just tell you what you want to know??? And you are getting sent reels before any other regular person but you know nothing about them and are stupid enough to trash Abu at the same time? Or your shop owner friend was dumb enough to send them to you?

Word to the Wise: IF you are getting hooked up with early reels you never trash them in a forum, you give a report of any trouble straight to the maker. Pretty sure you got the smaller, totally different reels that have been out for awhile and think that is what I am talking about...they are not the same reels by a good margin.

Seriously, we are happy to help you with your questions in any way we are able, but you just have to talk straight to us as there has been some pretty unusual things in your posts...maybe that is just a misunderstanding...? Who knows.

Anyways, pretty sure I 100% know what I am talking about having worked with Abu to post previews and internal photos of the Revo Toro-S and Revo Toro Beast before even any of their Pro Staff did and have been following the release of these reels.


best regards
 
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atun53

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First off the reels do not equal out to be $700, the toro beast is $339 and the toro s is $229 which equals to $568, not $700. Second, Abu sent my buddy the reels August 20th and i got them August 26th and then fished them on the 27th and 29th. When i hooked the yellow on the toro s i could not tighten the drag anymore, it could have just been a fluke, i personally wouldn't take the chance on buying that reel and possibly having it happen again. With the revo beast, i had landed plenty of calico bass during that day and then towards the end of the trip i hooked a 6lber and all of a sudden the reel basically went into freespool and i lost the fish. i took the reel apart and sat that the drag washer was broken and the drag plate was bent. Oh and i am 100% sure you are not the only person west of the Mississippi who has both reels.
So you can look up prices on eBay? Not sure why you asked for help if you already knew all this? I have the Lexa 400 HD with 65 lb maxcuatro on my Tilefish for local stuff, nice enough. I do think the HD is a nice upgrade over the previous model and I can sling a surface iron as far as I could with my 332. I still prefer my NaCl 60 to the Lexa and ordered a Beast based on the schematics/photos that John posted previously. I've been a very happy Revo customer. I keep hoping they do a bigger size, when they do, you'll see my Lexa for sale.
 

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I beat the shit out of big fish on my Lexa 400's. And the thought of servicing them after every trip dosnt even cross my mind. Im just a badass fisherman. I dont get spooled on small fish either. My Lexa 300 turns 15 pound yellowtail into little girls.
 

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I have to side with Mr. Tuttle on this one. His reputation on this site as well as the massive amount of info he has posted over the years has helped many of us for sure.
 

JTL750

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I did some research and there a re a lot of differences from the old to the new especially in the gears, i was mainly asking for first hand experience
Actually, the only difference is the gears and bearings. Stainless steel gears instead of brass, and better sealed, more saltwater friendly bearings. Besides the different paint job and new hyper speed gear ratio option, that's it.
 
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tanner.s

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Actually, the only difference is the gears and bearings. Stainless steel gears instead of brass, and better sealed, more saltwater friendly bearings. Besides the different paint job and new hyper speed gear ratio option, that's it.
Although, those are arguably the most important improvements that could be made (besides the paint). I will probably end up getting a hyper speed 300 as I just can't have a fast enough reel when fishing inshore it seems.
 

Biglion813

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I have both the older Revo Toro 60HS and the Lexa 400 and have caught many tunas in the 20-40lbs range. I usually use 20-30lb flouro on flyline and 40lb for jigging. With the drag setup right I had no problem with both reels and have not yet need to push it to the max yet. I am sure that the newer nacl and 400HD is much better reels than mine. In the end, you can't go wrong with either choices and comes down to personal preferences.

This year i've added metaloid 5nii to my arsenal and I must admit it feels more balance and with the longer handle I can feel the difference in power when pulling on a tuna/dorados. I'm slowly leaning toward these type of reels for tunas since they've done a great job making smaller reels where I can balm the reel just like I do with the baitcasters.

I say pick one up from one of the bders and try it out for yourself...if you don't like it...then pass it on to another bders.

Tight line and happy El Nino.
 

jtj0026

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My Toro 60-HS caught more than 2 dozens YFT & BFT up to 40 LB last year using #30 top shot for bait. It is an excellent caster for live bait. The synchronized levelwind is a bit of drag for trying to long cast a jig. NaCl 60 is basically the same reel as I had one as well. It just looks fancier. I also used a Toro 60 Winch for Flat Fall jigs. Toro 60 Winch has a gear ratio of 4.6:1 or 22 inches per crank... pretty easy to bring up a tuna from deep fishing heavier line.

Determine to long cast a jig or popper using a bait caster I ordered a Lexa 400 PWR-P recently. Haven't tried it yet but hopefully the disengaged levelwind system produces long casts.
 

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I was at the tackle shop today and i kept hearing this squealing little voice saying "hold me" "hold me". I had no idea what it was but after searching for the culprit i realized it was coming from the reel case. Down in the corner was a little NaCL60 and it was waving at me. I realized this little beauty was the squealing voice i heard and it was calling out to me. I held it in my hands and it smiled. I fell in love.

So now i own a brand new little 60 to take care of. Because i absolutely dont need another neat bait-caster. But ill demote my Lexa 300 to small irons and use this little lady on chovies.
 
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I have a buddy that owns a shop in minnesota and he sent me both to try out on saltwater bass and yellowtail. I was fishing the toro s and hooked a 15lb yellow and got spooled. I was fishing the toro beast and the drags gave out on a 6+lb calico
You got SPOOLED BECAUSE YOU CANT FISH doesnt mean the reels have a problem maybe you should stick to FRESHWATER
 

Rob069

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I have both the Abu and Lexa both work great but I'll take my Lexa over my Abu anytime caught these on my Lexa
 

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skipjackrobert

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Geez...lol...my experience with the older 400 by Diawa was not so great. A 25 cent part broke and Diawa was horrible with service...good reel but it should not have broke. I baby my gear...they cast great but I won't own another one...
 

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