Modern Rail Rod?

Discussion in 'San Diego Long Range fishing Reports' started by fxr3, Oct 15, 2017.

  1. fxr3

    fxr3 Newbie

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    15 years since last LONG RANGE for me. 51/2' all roller rod with penn 50.
    Now it looks like 7' non roller is the norm.
    Still have the 50s, but need rod.
    Suggestions? Thanks, B
     
  2. JohnTFT

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    All United Composites

    50-80# RCX76Raptor
    100# RCX 76 Centaur
    100-130# RCX 76 Viper
    130-200# RCX76 Invictus
    150-Unlimited RCX76 Gladiator

    The 7' versions are nice rods as well. The 7'6" rods have a nicer taper. Softer in the tip but huge back end power.

    The most versatile of all the choices is the 76Viper. Can fish multiple line classes very effectively.
     
  3. Squid Sammich

    Squid Sammich Well-Known "Member"

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    If you are only getting one rod get the RCX76Viper John recommended above. You may be thinking 7'6" is way to long but the tip is soft, a feature you will appreciate when lobbing a bait and in bumpier seas and it doesn't give up much leverage. You will also appreciate the lifting power of this rod and getting unstrapped from the harness.
     
  4. SouthBayKiller

    SouthBayKiller I've posted enough I should edit this section

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    Might want to take a look at that reel as well, rods aren’t the only things that have changed.
     
  5. Steve K

    Steve K Hey, I'm gettin' bit...

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    I just recently replaced a Super Seeker 6463XXXXH with roller guides. Built myself CX76 Viper with Alps guides. Love it, had a chance to break it in at Lupe on one of those tuna. Fishes 80 lb as well as 130 lb. You can always fish lighter line on a heavy rod, but heavier line on a lighter rod is no bueno.

    And, of course, to make your Penn 50 the best it can be, send it to Cal Sheets 2 Speed.
     
  6. bob1825

    bob1825 I've posted enough I should edit this section

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    Consider renting a rod and reel package on whichever long range boat you decide to go on. It will give you a chance to try the newest gear for a nominal fee. That way you can get an idea of what you want to buy for the following year's trip. Good luck and tight lines.
     
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  7. Rodless_Jim

    Rodless_Jim I've posted enough I should edit this section

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    This. Short, sweet, and 100% correct. I have a Centaur, a Viper, an Invictus, and a 7' Gladiator, and love them all.
     
  8. caballo del mar

    caballo del mar Well-Known "Member"

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    So the Raptor can be used at Guadalupe with 80lb.?
     
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  9. jiggyn

    jiggyn Do you even fish?

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    You can but it pushing it to its upper limits
     
  10. harddrive

    harddrive Wish I Was Fishing!

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    Phenix Axis rods are very nice too. So are Calstar and Seekers. Pull on them before you buy and find out what works for you. They're kind of like golf clubs, there are tons of model, but not everything works for everyone.
     
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  11. ReelDealAngler-

    ReelDealAngler- Born To Fish

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    IMO, the Raptor is a 60lb rod at best (a great 60lb rod with a soft tip which is really a good thing if the bait is on the small side, great for Gadalupe). Centaur is the 80lb/100lb rod, IMO, the Viper is a 130lb rod especially if using super braid to a short 5-12 foot leader. I own and have fished all 3 of these UC rods. Like the 7'6" versions as I am tall so by the time I get a 16" rear grip and an 18' fore grip with a proper reel seat for a big game reel the longer rod spaces out better with regards to guides for me, also a bit easier to cast a fly line bait (sardine/small mack) with the longer rail ring guided rod, and the other bonus is it makes life better in keeping your line out away from the hull during that hard pulling vertical end game!

    I own (have fished) and very much like the Calstar 775XH, XXH, XXXH rail rods... less expensive than UC, very durable, proven actions as well. Several great choices in rail rods available today depending on your style of fishing and your budget.

    G
     
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  12. SCHeadhunter

    SCHeadhunter Well-Known "Member"

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    Fish like a man, bring a harness and stay off the rail
     
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    ReelDealAngler- Born To Fish

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    Especially true if you plan (or desire) on casting your live baits away from the boat... new reels with lighter spools and better bearings lubed with synthetic oil coupled to a longer rail rod with ringed guides is a FAR better combination than the short stubby roller rods with heavier Big Game reels of the past that were designed more for the trolling application than for the live bait west coast tuna application we use. Then you add today's super braid lines and fluorocarbon leader into the equation and the game has changed quite a bit over the last 10-15 years (for the better IMO... much more fun and challenging as you can now fish with lighter weight/smaller size (better casting) gear while still using 80-150lb test).

    G
     
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  14. ReelDealAngler-

    ReelDealAngler- Born To Fish

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    Harness and plate fighting technique uses a fulcrum point for leverage as well (similar to the rail) so its NOT more manly IMO! On my last true cow trip on an LR boat (RRIII) two years ago I noticed that a few of the older guys that still used a harness and plate ended up with their outfit out of the harness and plate and in the deckhands arms most of the battle as those fish were mean and once they got to the bow the harness and plate guys were totally screwed trying to fish over a higher rail with angled out freeboard (deckhand would have to fight their fish for them and often wound use the rail or the top of the anchor davit to pull/leverage off of). Way less mobility with a harness and plate... and in some ways overly cumbersome IMO when fishing on an LR platform with 20+ other anglers and lots of obstacles to get around or over. Plus as mentioned above you generally are going to be fishing with a shorter rod when using a harness and plate vs. a rail rod... so no real casting going on there in the fly line live bait application other than maybe a gentle short sweep underhand lob.

    G
     
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  15. FishAcquisition

    FishAcquisition I've posted enough I should edit this section

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    Did you get your stuff back?
     
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  16. okie man

    okie man I've posted enough I should edit this section

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    Calstar and seeker make rods that have proven the test of time,rods like the 770 series ,2x4 . Uc has some great rods. Go to a tackle store and put them in your hands, pull on them and see what you like!
     
  17. Rodless_Jim

    Rodless_Jim I've posted enough I should edit this section

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    No. :-(

    The good news is that this wasn't a cow trip, so I didn't lose my heavy rail rods.

    Not that there was a whole lot of good news associated with the break in.
     
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  18. FishAcquisition

    FishAcquisition I've posted enough I should edit this section

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    Well, that is good news. I think the whole BD Family hurts for you. Hope they catch them back for you.
     
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  19. Bill W

    Bill W tunaholic

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    So... how big is your biggest tuna without a strap on device Tom...?
     
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  20. Rodless_Jim

    Rodless_Jim I've posted enough I should edit this section

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    Fish like an angler:

    - Use your skills to get a bite
    - Fight the fish the best you can in the manner you prefer
    - Catch the fish if you can
    - Keep or release it, as you choose
    - Laugh with your friends
    - Be helpful to newbies
    - Be a good neighbor on the rail and in the salon.
    - Have a total blast!

    Remember: you have nothing to prove to anyone...not even the fish.

    You're on vacation. You only get to do this a limited number of times in your life, even if you're Soda Pop. Every hour you spend long range fishing is precious...treasure the experience!
     
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