METAL STAINLESS STEEL BOAT GUIDES FOR SPECTRA BRAID?

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  1. geebee

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    I'm redoing a vintage Sabre Golden G51670C 7' (20-50lbs) for fishing.

    I stripped the guides and thread off the blank - and wondering what type of replacement guides are recommended for use with spectra braid fishing line on the San Diego-Mexico coastal fishing mono topshot/leader 30-40lbs.

    First, the old school stainless steel boat guides - has anyone actually seen braid damage these types of guides (or heard credible stories about spectra cutting into the metal)?

    What lower budget guides would you put on this classic glass rod?
     
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    Braced stainless guides. Cheap and dependable.
     
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    Exactly what I was thinking, original abuse factor - still - any problems with braid using these guides on 70lb class tuna?

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    Those will work fine
    Another good choice ALPS HXN
     
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    Alps, interesting, I got a new set of these Alps (see pic) with the rod, I never used Alps so don't know where they sit on the quality (durability) scale.

    But they feel kinda fragile (compared to the similar Fugi guides I just put on my Grafighters) ... comments?

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    Those are perfect. Those are Alps XN's they are ideal for braid and better than the boat guides. Those are actually what I would buy if I was doing that rod over

    You will find ALPS guides on all the major rod manufactures rods
    Grind the feet a little.
     
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    Excellent info, I got the 'project' rod and guides cheap from a guy who works in H&M tackle shop so that makes sense...
     
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    cmepen I've posted enough I should edit this section

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    Those look like they might be XHXNLG the heavy version of the XN guides. If so it's a little overkill for a 40# stick. XXNLG are what you want to use they are lighter than the XH's. Alps guides are very a high quality choice. Batson stands behind their products. It's a very reputable company. They make excellent components.
     
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    Having benefit of holding these ones in hand - they don't feel like a heavy version - their light weight was my initial concern (and not knowing the Alps component quality to risk the time installing them).

    I feel a lot better about using them now thanks to everyone's quality assurances...

    ALPS GUIDES Vs FUJI GUIDES
     
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    More info:

    Looks like the seller provided provided both heavy and normal versions as pointed out by members above. See my size 20 and 16 comparison photo below, probably to cost-cut on the most expensive stripper guide size.

    That mismatch, I just discovered, accounts for my original flimsy comment about the Alps guides (I was looking at the 20) ...

    Now I'm wondering if I should cut off the 20 and match up the metal to all heavy BECAUSE of the way these old Sabre rods get thrown around, I don't care so much if heavy size is a little overkill on a 40lb stick)...

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    Here is another photograph comparing what may be XHXNLG the heavy version side by side with what may be an ALPS XH size 10s (pls let me know if I labeled these incorrectly and I will edit my post)...

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    Those guides will work fine under all fishing conditions, it's the transporting, being stored in a common rack with other rods, getting stepped on, etc. is what you have to worry about. Any of those guides will catch fish in the hundreds of pounds, I built a rod with lighter guides than these, been catching big fish on it for 30 years.
     
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    Then again, now I'm thinking of forgetting about using the supplied high-profile style guides and using a more standard profile guide set comparable to BHNOG Aluminum Oxide for a better match to my old-school Sabre 20-50lb rod.

    I got this rod to finish the seller's original project and put it back in play for someone else (and mama always taught me never to do a job halfway)...

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    GeeBee .. listen to what the pros are telling you.

    The XN's are fine for a 20-50# rod with a sweet spot of 30-40#
     
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    I was looking at the HXN guides I used on my las guild. Don’t really know what I bought, but Steve with Island Tackle set me up for the UC 76 Viper so I assume they’re the heavy duty ones and I think TiCh with Zirconium rings. On the leg on the other side of the one stamped with the size, (ALPS-20), S-6 is stamped. Does that identify the guide? If so, are yours stamped on both legs?

    Check out my post on SS Ring Guides, good discussion there.
     
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    ya, my ears are open ... ya gotta love those sweet spots ...
     
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    You're asking the wrong guy what S-6 means stamped on the Alps guide, but here is a pic of the 16, 12, 10 (heavier) size I have. Alps # is stamped on the other side of each guide.

    I'll look for your SS Ring Guides post ... thanks

    PS: Does S-6 stamp indicate my guides are Titanium Chrome with with Zirconium ring inserts?

    Where does Zirconium inserts rank among Aluminum Oxide and Silicon Carbide ring inserts?

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    From Alps website (these guides are apparently SS316 Stainless Steel

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    Keep it up, you are looking like a shoe in for the
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    My bad.
     
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    I think SiC is top of the line, then Zirconium. Several different types of Aluminum Oxide.

    Good question, S-6?
     
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