Marias Isla Prison Closure Announcement

Discussion in 'Mainland Mexico Fishing Reports and Discussion' started by Bullshipper, Feb 19, 2019.

  1. Bullshipper

    Bullshipper Well-Known "Member"

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  2. karlk1125

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    ahhhh!!! This could be huge!!!!

    Does anyone have an idea what this means for the future fishing of the islands?
     
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  3. Bullshipper

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    They tout restoring the islands environment to justify the shut down which I believe is aimed mostly at saving money.Since its been a biosphere for over 15 years, I doubt if regulations will change, but with the navy moving out, enforcement will go away which to me signals increased fishing pressure form sporties and commercials.

    There is already a lot of abandoned housing there so I imagine that the pangueros will move in to establish fishing camps and it is my understanding that the hulls carrying drugs north have been refueling there for years, so they will also like this news.
     
  4. aguachico

    aguachico I've posted enough I should edit this section

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    Met a guy in ensenada. Govt official. He fished that island with military guys. Big tuna and sharks very close.
     
  5. madrugador

    madrugador I've posted enough I should edit this section

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    Im going to miss the island tours ......
     
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    I'm sure Hardcore and Bogii agree
     
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    hucklongfin Deep release specialist

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    Not me. The dock is concrete and high. It's easier to go from your flyingbridge to the dock than climb up there. The guards in black are no fun but the marines in camo are cool. Even though you're not supposed to fish there they'll tell you all about the fish they catch there!
     
  8. Jonny O

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    First thought was this will be great second idea not so good. The commercial guys small, medium and large will be all up in there raping. Hopefully the fishing laws will remain and the navy patrol so we can fish as we always do.
     
  9. Fishemup

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    Good point Jeff! I would guess you are right on!
     
  10. Bullshipper

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    Looking at it in another light, overnighting on smaller craft will now be possible as you can anchor at night in the lee of the island close in where its safer and calmer to sleep. I don't think this is good news for Danny and others that have invested in big hulls to overnight in open seas, but these captains are so good, I am sure they will always lead the pack no matter what they use.

    There also may be some bait holes closer in that will allow you to restock your live well at night with cabbies and chorras, so going in smaller, faster more economical boats could be a possibility and cut charter costs.

    But more pressure and disregaurd for the regs will certainly follow and I personally fear that the hookah commercials will be on this like flies on butter as areas that are shallower will now open up, and just not at night for poachers.
     
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    Bye Bye Tuna
     
  12. karlk1125

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    The islands already get hammered by commercial tuna fishermen...the seiners who legally aren’t allowed anywhere near the islands wrap them up a few times a year as well. I don’t think much will change...except no prison tours and more inshore fishing on relatively prestine reefs.
     
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    Nothing will change for at least 5 years at a minimum, the presidential term is one 6 year run. So my bet is all will stay the same, unless the pres wants the island for himself.
     
  14. Capn Cole

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    "unless the pres wants the island for himself."

    This comment reflects a marked misunderstanding of who Lopez Obrador is. The control of the Islands will not be allowed to remain in private hands: No more private surf resorts, etc. The idea is to return the islands to the Mexican people.


    Poaching is a problem, and will not go away immediately, but the protected status will remain the same. It remains to to seen if there will be sufficient enforcment.
     
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    IT WAS AN ATTEMPT AT HUMOR....i wish the Mexican people to enjoy their beautiful islands.
    NOT VERY HAPPY ABOUT THE INCREASED FUEL TAX, I AM SURE
     
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    "IT WAS AN ATTEMPT AT HUMOR"

    Sorry I didn't get your joke. Mexico has probably the first decent president in 30 years and he is making huge efforts to change the culture of corruption in Mexico.

    An Example:Until 1 month ago, Maria Cleofus, one of the Tres Marias, was held by a group of extremely wealthy individuals whom I know well, some of them are, or were, in government. They are surfers, free divers and fishermen, who were seeking a renewal of their lease on their private resort island, but Lopez Obrador rejected the application, and returned the island to the people. This is a president who lives in an apartment, drives a Volkswagen, and reduced his own salary by 60%.

    This is not the only Mexican property which has been returned to the people. Chapultepec Castle and Los Pinos, the former seat of government, have been converted to a museum and a park open to everyone.

    Ironically, the guys who held title to the island respected the reserve status and refused to fish, or allow fishing, within the preserve: probably not the worst renters you could have, but poaching continued.
     
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    Only the best for Mexico and it's people.
     
  18. Capn Cole

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    "Only the best for Mexico and it's people."

    De acuerdo
     
  19. Bullshipper

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    A lot is wrong with Mexico, and I too like a lot of things that Lopez Obrador has done, but one must be distrustful of all politicians imo.
    Hugo Chavez was supposedly for the people and started out the same, but in the end he ended up buying the poor vote with pennies so that he could steal around $60 billion from those same people in Valenzuela.
    LO has started to hand out pensions that are 4-5x times what was previously given to a lot of folks that never paid a dime in taxes their whole working life and is also is giving handouts to the younger families in Hidalgo that have been living off the $3 billion per year that they have been siphoning out of gas and oil pipeline for years.
    He raised minimum wages along the border, doubling them, and now the unions are demanding he give them another 20% raise + $2000 usd to every Walmart employee, or strike (largest employer in Mx).
    His answer to cartel crime is to close prisons, letting 2/3 of the inmates go, then promise amnesty to the ones on the street, while murders are still going up.
    Meanwhile, Moody's, the World Bank and S&P are down grading Mexico's ability to meet their government obligations and $$millions are leaving country monthly as the fear of inflation is now a fear that will dampen further job creation by investment national and foreign.
    So, lets see this play out awhile before we start heaping on the political praise
     

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