Majority of $6.4 Billion California Tax Dollars went to China.......

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  1. Saluki

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  2. wils

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    either 6.4 billion to china or 12.8 billion to caltrans....your taxes; your call. :)
     
  3. fishnfool

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    12.8B is an over-inflated number. Either way better to have that money circulating in our economy than elsewhere.
     
  4. MR Limpet

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    embarrassing!!!!!
    I guess everyone is more interested in some skinny bitch singing and dancing around almost nude with a foam finger:Beat_Them
     
  5. Saluki

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    Wils.............. do some Google or Yahoo story search for details.
    They said they went with the Chinese who's bid came in at $210 Million less than a domestic contractor.
    That $6.61 Billion if kept domestic would have in the long run generated more state, local, and federal tax dollars coming back to them than the extra $210 million given out for the contracts. It's pretty simple math..........


    In the words of Hillary Clinton "What difference does it make?"


    SMH.....
     
  6. ConSeaMate

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    These are the same people that took 8% away from the salaries of the people that take care of the Handicapped to give to to themselves in a pay raise......
     
  7. middleofnowhere

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    Our coward governor knew to stay far away from that grand opening.
     
  8. Tues

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    Just think of the football stadium that could have been built in San Diego from the left over parts...
     
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    Someone got some big ass kick-backs.

    On another note: How affective is rubber buck shot?
     
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    It's okay - we're going to build a bullet train that runs from Palmdale to Fresno that will cost 5 times as much as JetBlue per seat, take much longer and won't take you where you want to go!
     
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    Just one more reason my wife and I are looking into moving to AZ. Tues I am going to buy the house right next door to you just to fuck with you every day. LMAO.
    Seriously, CA is so fucked up I am ready to leave it.
     
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    It's okay - we're going to build a bullet train that runs from Palmdale to Fresno that will cost 5 times as much as JetBlue per seat, take much longer and won't take you where you want to go!
     
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    This complex project was bid on and undertaken by American Bridge and Fluor Corp, with lifting and support assistance provided by Enerpac. All American companies.
     
  14. middleofnowhere

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    The Chinese hold the majority of the bonds, so we get to pay back $12+ billion to the Chinese for this shiny new bridge.
     
  15. Saluki

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    Hey Tuna Sniffer.............


    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/09/20/san-francisco-oakland-bay-bridge-controversially-made-in-china/



    "China was immensely helpful to getting this project built," says California Department of Transportation spokesman Bart Ney. "They were able to turn the steel around and work directly with our own inspectors to make sure we met the specifications of what this bridge required."

    Several thousand Chinese workers spent five years fabricating the steel used to construct the roadbeds, cable strands, and landmark tower for the single anchor suspension bridge set to open in 2013.

    But the project is sparking outrage among groups who argue the work should have stayed here.

    Huge deck segments were shipped overseas from Shanghai, contributing to pollution, say critics, and delivering another blow to California's battered economy and 12 % unemployment rate.

    Roger Ferch with the National Steel Bridge Alliance says "I saw one estimate of the fabrication man hours, the labor to construct this bridge in the fabrication shop of more than a million man hours. That's a million man hours of work that should have been done in the US."

    And each job, Ferch, says, has a multiplier effect "because not only do you lose the fabrication jobs, you lose those people paying taxes, those people buying groceries, those people buying clothing, and the list goes on."

    California transportation officials argue they saved $400 million by turning to China, in large part because they didn't have to pay American union wages and benefits. With the clock ticking, they say more was at stake than money.

    "We're trying to get this bridge completed by 2013. These segments that are larger steel boxes were fabricated in Shanghai because they had the ability to produce them and get them out here on site," contends Ney.

    Some critics have questioned the quality of the steel work done overseas, but bridge officials say their inspections have shown that China, which has dominated bridge building for years, has helped produce a structural marvel that will be immediately usable after a major earthquake.

    Twenty two years after the Loma Prieta Quake brought down a section of the upper deck, seismic integrity is the primary objective.

    The new span is also expected to enhance San Francisco's skyline, and, like it or not, China's resume as a world leader in civil engineering.


    Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/09/2...-controversially-made-in-china/#ixzz2drwQUQj5

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    Hey Tuna Sniffer.............


    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/09/20/san-francisco-oakland-bay-bridge-controversially-made-in-china/



    "China was immensely helpful to getting this project built," says California Department of Transportation spokesman Bart Ney. "They were able to turn the steel around and work directly with our own inspectors to make sure we met the specifications of what this bridge required."

    Several thousand Chinese workers spent five years fabricating the steel used to construct the roadbeds, cable strands, and landmark tower for the single anchor suspension bridge set to open in 2013.

    But the project is sparking outrage among groups who argue the work should have stayed here.

    Huge deck segments were shipped overseas from Shanghai, contributing to pollution, say critics, and delivering another blow to California's battered economy and 12 % unemployment rate.

    Roger Ferch with the National Steel Bridge Alliance says "I saw one estimate of the fabrication man hours, the labor to construct this bridge in the fabrication shop of more than a million man hours. That's a million man hours of work that should have been done in the US."

    And each job, Ferch, says, has a multiplier effect "because not only do you lose the fabrication jobs, you lose those people paying taxes, those people buying groceries, those people buying clothing, and the list goes on."

    California transportation officials argue they saved $400 million by turning to China, in large part because they didn't have to pay American union wages and benefits. With the clock ticking, they say more was at stake than money.

    "We're trying to get this bridge completed by 2013. These segments that are larger steel boxes were fabricated in Shanghai because they had the ability to produce them and get them out here on site," contends Ney.

    Some critics have questioned the quality of the steel work done overseas, but bridge officials say their inspections have shown that China, which has dominated bridge building for years, has helped produce a structural marvel that will be immediately usable after a major earthquake.

    Twenty two years after the Loma Prieta Quake brought down a section of the upper deck, seismic integrity is the primary objective.

    The new span is also expected to enhance San Francisco's skyline, and, like it or not, China's resume as a world leader in civil engineering.


    Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/09/20/san-francisco-oakland-bay-bridge-controversially-made-in-china/#ixzz2drwQUQj5
     
  16. Marcus

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    While I don't like it, it is capitalism and contracts go to the lowest bidder. Even with shpping costs they were able to generate enough money to make a profit.

    When was the last time you saw one of these projects come in on budget? While the savings on paper is only $210 million it may have been much, much more.

    We can't compete with China's labor costs. Time for us to adjust our economy.
     
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    That is the story of the global economy over that last 30 years. American and multinational corporations seek out the lowest priced labor markets with few environmental regulations for production, sell their products in their home markets, then ship the profits to low tax havens. They write the legislation that allows this to happen. Joe Blow says, "great, I'll just buy their stock and profit that way." Sorry, Wall Street has that avenue gamed, too.

    What will they do when we can no longer afford to buy what they are selling??

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    That is the story of the global economy over that last 30 years. American and multinational corporations seek out the lowest priced labor markets with few environmental regulations for production, sell their products in their home markets, then ship the profits to low tax havens. They write the legislation that allows this to happen. Joe Blow says, "great, I'll just buy their stock and profit that way." Sorry, Wall Street has that avenue gamed, too.

    What will they do when we can no longer afford to buy what they are selling??
     
  18. rdrrm8e

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    Marcus

    Your rule: no politics

    However since you started it

    "Adjust our economy"

    So American workers should "Adjust" to $12.00 a day wages?

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    Marcus

    Your rule: no politics

    However since you started it

    "Adjust our economy"

    So American workers should "Adjust" to $12.00 a day wages?
     
  19. Tues

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    Not sure where you got, "So American workers should "adjust" to $12.00 a day wages?" from. The topic about adjusting our economy is much bigger than that...

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    Not sure where you got, "So American workers should "adjust" to $12.00 a day wages?" from. The topic about adjusting our economy is much bigger than that...
     
  20. middleofnowhere

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    I have worked on plenty of multimillion dollar projects completed on time and within budget using only domestically manufactured materials.
     

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