Madmacs & Halco Q's

effigy

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First of all yes, I have used the search function and spent hours reading / looking. There are hundreds if not thousands of posts, making it difficult to find a consensus.

I'd like to hear from folks with actual experience using these on your boat.

1. For Madmacs leader / topshot rigging, what is optimal lb test? Some say that 200 lb interferes with the action, and that 130 or 100 is best. I'd rather go heavier, if it still fishes right.

2. When trolling multiple Madmacs, is it best to keep them all the same size?The implication being that each size has an optimal speed. Or is it fine to have say a 240 way back, and a 200 or 160 closer?

3. On the Halco Max 190, they come with Mustad single hooks. They don't indicate the part #. Are those hooks strong enough? I don't like the looks of the stock split ring, so will replace those for sure.

Thanks for any help, Mark
 
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hucklongfin

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I’ve trolled both on long range trips for Wahoo, not for,BFT. I used the stock hooks and rings. I use a 130# fluoro leader. I treat the Madmacs like a Marauder/Bonita and troll it short in the corners. The Max 190 goes in one of the longer positions.
 
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I have had success trolling a 240 way back starboard side…. Ball park 150 yards. And a 160 port 85-100 yards….

Both set ups are the same 1x3 with a visx 20. 100 braid to 100’ of mono. Clip to swivel. roughly 4’ of 200 mono crimped to the mac….

I try to troll between 12-14 knots. But sea state dictates….

We all want “the answer” but time in the water is what pays the bills.

Good luck. Looking forward to what others get down with
 

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    I have found after a bunch of decades trolling various lures that if the lure moves at all, not a straight-running round-headed lure, that the only thing to do is watch it swimming beside the boat for twenty seconds before you start letting it back. Like SD2600 said, the sea state trumps everything. Some boats have more wake, some boats respond differently to ocean conditions.

    Sometimes an add-on device like a splasher bird or a trolling weight will make an effect upon the lure that you don't want, or DO want. You have to look carefully and see. Some billed lures work very differently going up-swell rather than down-swell. The reason that most sportfishing boats have simple straight-running Zukors or similar lures on the boat lines is they are pretty neutral in behavior. Billed lures and shaped lures like Madmacs will usually behave themselves . . . but not always. You have to look carefully, at different speeds.
     
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    I swap out the singles for 5/0 treble hooks. I only have 200s, so I do two. One way back on the bigger reel and the other a little closer. I have an 80 and 100 braid. Braid to about 75’ of 100lb mono. FG from braid to mono. 6-7 turn SD jam right to the lure. Troll at 11-14mph. Never broke. Caught many 100lbers.
     
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    effigy

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    I swap out the singles for 5/0 treble hooks. I only have 200s, so I do two. One way back on the bigger reel and the other a little closer. I have an 80 and 100 braid. Braid to about 75’ of 100lb mono. FG from braid to mono. 6-7 turn SD jam right to the lure. Troll at 11-14mph. Never broke. Caught many 100lbers.
    Thank you so much for this precise summary!

    Interesting that you swap both trebles. I have seen a few posts stating that a treble on the belly messed with the action. But again, as another poster said, it's a combination of many factors that = the final action.
     
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    Thank you so much for this precise summary!

    Interesting that you swap both trebles. I have seen a few posts stating that a treble on the belly messed with the action. But again, as another poster said, it's a combination of many factors that = the final action.
    Tell that to these guys. All front treble.
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    errin

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    Like Bajachild said, no leader, use 100-130 mono and tie straight to lure. I use 130 with a clinch knot, it stacks up very nicely and has not failed.

    The hooks on the Madmac are shit, I would swap the rear to a 5/0 treble.

    Hooks on the Halco 190 are good. They do not bend and you don't need to swap them out but if the treble would make you feel more comfortable go ahead and do it....
     
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    northeastfshman

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    First of all yes, I have used the search function and spent hours reading / looking. There are hundreds if not thousands of posts, making it difficult to find a consensus.

    I'd like to hear from folks with actual experience using these on your boat.

    1. For Madmacs leader / topshot rigging, what is optimal lb test? Some say that 200 lb interferes with the action, and that 130 or 100 is best. I'd rather go heavier, if it still fishes right.

    2. When trolling multiple Madmacs, is it best to keep them all the same size?The implication being that each size has an optimal speed. Or is it fine to have say a 240 way back, and a 200 or 160 closer?

    3. On the Halco Max 190, they come with Mustad single hooks. They don't indicate the part #. Are those hooks strong enough? I don't like the looks of the stock split ring, so will replace those for sure.

    Thanks for any help, Mark

    I've caught in the neighborhood of 100 BFT on the MadMacs

    The ideal set-up is 100lb solid braid to a 8' top shot of 130# mono (I like Momoi Diamond for the abrasion resistance). They just run better and you get more bites. than fishing 200 and heavier braid If I use that set-up I put a Bimini in the 100lb braid and then an improved Bristol knot to attach the mono or if time permits I make a wind-on top shop with the 130# mono and loop to loop connect the lines with a cats paw.

    Do not crimp the madmac to the mono leader, they run way better with a SD Jam knot.

    The 240's troll the best at higher speeds. I usually run a 240 and 200 to start to see what's getting bit for the day then swap. You can stager them without to much issue.
     
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    First of all yes, I have used the search function and spent hours reading / looking. There are hundreds if not thousands of posts, making it difficult to find a consensus.

    I'd like to hear from folks with actual experience using these on your boat.

    1. For Madmacs leader / topshot rigging, what is optimal lb test? Some say that 200 lb interferes with the action, and that 130 or 100 is best. I'd rather go heavier, if it still fishes right.

    2. When trolling multiple Madmacs, is it best to keep them all the same size?The implication being that each size has an optimal speed. Or is it fine to have say a 240 way back, and a 200 or 160 closer?

    3. On the Halco Max 190, they come with Mustad single hooks. They don't indicate the part #. Are those hooks strong enough? I don't like the looks of the stock split ring, so will replace those for sure.

    Thanks for any help, Mark

    Fishing these madmacs is pretty straight forward once you get a feel for it but one thing I think I can expand and add some to this post.

    I fish 100 lb meter braid, to Bimini twist to 130 or 135 lb wind on leader. Moimoi or Izor. Use mono, it will help to absorb the absolutely brutal shock when a large tuna bites your lure passing by at 12 knots…. I prefer 9 yards or approx 25 feet.

    Direct tie to the lure, I use a 4 turn uni.

    I fish my short 150 yards and my long 200 yards.

    240 and 200 are my go to sizes. I like the new red bait color not because I think the color gets more bites, but specifically because the bottom of the lure is clear, so after catching a fish I can see if the lure is cracked somewhere as indicated by it filling up with water.

    Change out the rear hooks at minimum to a size 5/0 SST 66. I use double trebles on the 240.

    My short is always on my starboard my long is always on my port. This is because if I see a breezer, you need to pass the breezer at distance, then turn into it. I’m more accurate Turing to starboard than port.

    When approaching a breezer do not run your boat over them, this is why I fish them so far back, as I pass the breezer completely, I then turn right to starboard and the short will pass through the breezer a few seconds before the long. Many doubles this way.

    Set your drag softly, just enough to not creep out while you’re trolling at 11-13 knots. Your reel is at stop, inertia is real. Basically, when they strike that lure, it take a bit of energy to allow the line to spool out. Bodies at rest want to stay at rest. If your drag is too tight, and you’re dragging a heavy lure at 13 mph and a 150 lb tuna strikes that lure, you can imagine the force exerted to the system. If everything is too tight, pop goes the fish. When I hear people say, got bit on the “madmac, and it didn’t stick” I assume their drag set was too tight. I’ve lost very few fish on the initial hook up, maybe 2.

    Once the fish is on, set drag appropriately.

    Some breezer schools will bite the madmac good while others don’t. If they didn’t bite on the first pass, switch to the flyer and kite immediately. don’t troll the madmac through foam, they don’t bite them. If you see foaming fish, deploy the kite 100% or your usual surface jigs and baits depending on the size of fish.

    Lastly, if I see someone already fishing a kite, or jigs on a breezer or former, I give them a wide berth. No one likes to be buzzed by a boat making wake at 13 mph when they are trying to position themselves to fish that spot of fish.


    Good luck 🍀.

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