Hey Tom, any chance this early closure might get more folks on board with splitting MA9 in two? This is not the first time hot fishing in the north of 9 have affected us inside of PNP. The Mid HC shakers go all over I know, but if this was about adults as was the coho issue a few years ago it really sucks to be shut off the Issaquah stock piling up on the 9/10 border as we speak. This early shutdown is going to cost me about 2 weeks of decent sales if the coho don't show up soon and it's really hard to sell a WDFW liscence while grinding your teeth over getting the shaft!Thanks Dan!
I hadn't checked my e-mail yet when i wrote the post above... Sounds like it is a done deal!
Off to Westport for me!
If that's the case, why is Area 10 included in this? The creel checks in this area have been low for kings so far this season.
Definitely happening. We have put 9 to the boat this last week and 8 were hatchery, however the native was a 20 pound fish. Numbers are way of from last year, 8000 fish to date right now compared to 5000 last year at this time. If people didn't keep a lot of barely legal fish it would probably continue on. But hey the rivers have to get there counts. Hopefully A7 picks up
Whats really inane about this whole situation is that people will still be fishing coho so they will still be hooking and releasing kings, just now well be releasing wild PLUS hatchery so the mortality rate will increase if anything. Our hatchery to wild ratio ended up about 80% so Im thinking their stats are skewed. So if mortality rate is the reason its closing, then they should close it for ALL salmon fishing, but don't tell them I said that.
Ross - it's not the number of hatchery fish that is the problem... so keeping a 22 incher doesn't impact the management of the fishery... it's about the number if wild fish being encountered...
We all just have to get lucky and have a high mark rate in our fishing... if we could just get a lure that would target only hatchery fish
Well if that's the case how can they tell how many native fish are being encountered? We haven't ran into a fish checker or anyone from fish and game in the last week out there. And i heard they count almost 50 percent of the fish released as fish that won't survive, is this true?
Tom, do you know if they are supposed to clip 100% of hatchery fish in Puget SOund? Another thread got me all fired up thinking that they might not clip all hatchery fish, if not, this is inadequate and must stop, it is skewing the science, not in our favor! Also, can we see the supposed data sets that were used to close said fishery? Is it FOIA?
Kurt,Whats really inane about this whole situation is that people will still be fishing coho so they will still be hooking and releasing kings, just now well be releasing wild PLUS hatchery so the mortality rate will increase if anything. Our hatchery to wild ratio ended up about 80% so Im thinking their stats are skewed. So if mortality rate is the reason its closing, then they should close it for ALL salmon fishing, but don't tell them I said that.
If we want to look at the Tribes with a stright face and ask them to stop when they exceed the model projections, we have to do the same. Closing chinook was the right thing to do.Ask the tribes to stop ???? Really ????
The tribes have a quota, then they have ceremonial fishing and substinence fishing......guess that about covers 365 days a year.
Anybody know the fine for keeping a hatchery fish right now? I'd rather write WDFW a check then give the fish to the tribes...
Tom, I for one appreciate all that you and the WDFW do to protect our fisheries, and I don't want to be another guy enjoying the fruits of your labor while complaining that we are being screwed.
That being said I do have one point that I wish could have been addressed differently.
If I'm reading this right, according to the numbers you posted, Area 10 was forecast for 3066 wild fish (both legal & sublegal) encounters. The actual number was 1145 and even the projected number through the 31st would have been 1652. So clearly it was the Area 9 wild fish encounters that went way beyond the forecast. And from what I've heard, it was mostly concentrated in the very Northern part of Area 9.
I know this is easier said than done, but I wish the Area 9 situation would have been addressed sooner, by reducing the limit or suspending the season there in time so that the Area 10 didn't have to pay the price for Mid-Channel Bank's success.
As an Area 10 fisherman who makes a point of making no travel plans from mid-July through the end of August, and incurs some expense to moor his boat in Seattle so that I can get out for quick trips when work allows, losing those last 2 weeks of the season, especially when the bite really had yet to heat up for us, was kind of heartbreaking.
Again, I know there were reasons for handling this the way it was, and I'm a firm believer that protecting the future of the fishery is priority number one. It's just that when we were in the midst of a quiet king season down here, and you've been waiting for the fish to move into the area in numbers; being told you have to stop because you've caught too many is a bit of a bitter pill to swallow.
Just think about this one for a minute. We just got home from bamfield bc. While trolling on the big bank we were catching and releasing many 2 year old clipped blackmouth. It was relentless and we ended up moving to different grounds to avoid them. This is whats troubling, the amount of money that folks pay to fish with guides and puker boats is alot so people were forced to keep barely legal fish to at least bring something home. I seen boats killing 20" blackmouth almost all day long and with the amount of marked fish we caught dont get too excited 2 years from now for a red hot season or one at all. 100 boats on the big bank average 3 per boat thats 600 barely legals a day for 30 days. Thats 18000 a month with an 75% clipped rate that we seen. Just think about it SCARY to say the least. Hope im wrong but wow when you think about it