LOOP TO LOOP with SOID 100LB Spectra

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  1. fishordie

    fishordie I've posted enough I should edit this section

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    Johnnie, This video is incorrect for use with hollow Spectra.. Amongst other things The gentleman in the video fails to properly re-bury the tag end when making a Hollow spectra loop. The Loop he shows will slip. There are other issues that are questionable, miss a few additional steps or are passé so perhaps this video might not be your best source of information.. In truth, get rid of it. Please look up Basil's Web Site to find out his methodology.

    As far as dis-connecting a Loop to Loop Cat's Paw it is actually fast and simple. If you are going to throw away a used top shot simply cut, using sharp Spectra scissors, Boomerang or other appropriate Spectra cutter, about 1/32 away from the connection, on the top shot side of the connection. This will leave two tiny tags sticking out of the connection with the Main line loop intact. Then,Grab the main line loop on either side of the Cats Paw and pull straight and tight. No matter how tight the Cats Paw connection is you will feel a pop as the connection un-tightens. When this happens the small tags will either fall away or just need a few seconds of massaging to make them fall away...

    If you wish to keep the top shot, eliminate the cutting of the top shot portion of the above technique. Grab the main line loop on either side of the cats paw and pull straight apart.. Again, you will feel a pop as the cats paw loosens. At this point I bring out my Special Long Range versi-tool.. It is actually a 1 piece tooth flossing pick with a floss portion on one side and a sharp point on the other. You can buy a bag of these things for about 6 cents apiece..My suggestion is to floss your teeth then pick the connection. Or visa versa. Be attentive to try and not separate the strands of the spectra while picking at the now loose cats paw. If You do accidentally poke into the strands, leaving a small loop in a single strand, just remember to massage it down once you have separated the main line loop from the top shot loop. Use the sharp point of the pick to open up the cats paw sufficiently so as to be able to easily pull the top shot back through the main line loop for separation. It actually takes longer to type this than to do it..

    The above technique works regardless how many times you have threaded the top shot loops to form a cats paw. For me, I happen to go through the main line loop twice and have never had a problem in 13 years and thousands of fishing hours of using this technique for Long Range and fly fishing to big fish.. I might consider going through an extra time or 2 if I found myself at PEI or similar when ridiculous amounts of drag are used.

    Hope this helps. Best of luck

    Jamie
     
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  2. Bill W

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    The loop part of the video is definitely wrong. Gee, I hope no body follows his video. For a loop in spectra you have to turn the hollow inside out. IGFA yah...
     
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    Dangit, sorry I posted it.
     
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    Thanks for that Jamie, I too have struggled with pulling them apart
     
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    That would definitely slip using spectra. Dacron is much less slippery than spectra but I still would never make a loop like that.
     
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    Not sure where to find "Basil's Web Site" can someone help me out?
     
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    Google BHP Tackle.
     
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    Not a fan of loop to loop in heavier tests, but I do use loops for 60 lb and lighter as well as the John Collins Knot for 25-40 lb.

    When I build my topshots 100 lb and up, I just leave about an 18" tag end and splice to the hollow on my reel. I don't cinch up the middle of the splice all the way and it's very easy to undo the splice.
     
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    Thank You!
     
  10. ifish42na

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    Johnnie, This video is incorrect for use with hollow Spectra..

    Thank you Jamie. If you navigate to the original video you'll see my comment on this, 6 years ago.
     
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    The RP/John Collins/Alberto/Improved Albright are all the same knot. I call it the Improved Albright since I haven't ridden the RP and don't know Alberto. A regular Albright with 20 turns works well on heavy spectra/leader connections too.
     
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    fishordie I've posted enough I should edit this section

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    Johnnie,

    To the contrary I am very glad you posted it.. As Basil did 6 years ago, you may have saved a number of folks from learning how to make top shots or hollow loops incorrectly. Never fear asking questions on these sites. You may be surprised at how many folks may have the exact same question but have failed to ask. Thank you Johnnie.

    Have a great season.

    Jamie
     
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    fishordie I've posted enough I should edit this section

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    My Pleasure Jeff,

    Jamie
     
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    LOL

    ps--do you know Bob Sands?
     
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    Coming in late, but really appreciate all of the info. I've been using the RP for the braid to top shot connection, but haven't fished it beyond 60# mono/fluoro, and 80# braid. No failures thus far...

    I can't think of a time in the near future where I'd be targeting fish where 100# anything is required, so I'll assume I'm good with my current approach. Will be practicing the FG from now on anyway, just in case. Never hurts to have a plan B.

    Thanks again.
     
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    Depending on the brand of solid spectra - I can splice a loop in some solid above 100# test.

    Tuf line is the most difficult (JB is the same product). Powerpro is the easiest. Obviously fused lines are impossible.

    Run the smallest loop puller needle through the spectra to open the weave then use the smallest reverse latch needle or wire that you can to create the loop.

    Doesnt always work - when it does solves the knot problem.
     
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    I like the suggestion of a 4-turn surgeon.....I have often used two smaller knots a primary 3-turn surgeon and a back-up 2-turn to form a loop for a loop-loop connection. I have not had trouble retrieving these, as I don't cast heavy line that far.
    Great success with John Collins, or whatever you call it, I like 7 ~ 10 turns and have not had a failure thru 50# leaders. Thanks for all the good input....I need to fish more!
     

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