Old School... more about the hunt than the kill...find your own fish... a good fisherman is a leader not a follower. Unfortunately theres no law against being stupid...so be patient and understanding.
well its true i see it all time in lbc. Boats packed full with 90% of the time being asian, mexican, and so forth. We are not being racist when its the truth. Not saying that dumb rich white kids in dads boat do the same which they do. But when it is a number game to them (idiots) they see 5-6 people on the boat means they can get more fish. Regardless of race people will pack there boat full. My buddy has a 18' klammath. It says it will fish 6. Any more than 2 its a cluster fuck. people dont get it. This is the best post on Bloody Decks All year. Every private boater need to read this. These boards are to help you find fish, not pull out of the harbor and ask "where's the sport boats" its bullshit. If you where a contractor can i walk in to your office and ask to see all your bids to clients and thier contact info, because i cant find any project leads. ou would tell me to get the fuck out of your office. its the same thing you are taking business away from them who worked for itOk I have owned a boat for well over 12 years and I have never witnessed a 21 footer packed with 8 anglers. For you to assume that they don't speak english, you are stariotyping or you are just ignorant. If you had an experience like that on one occasion then do not say that it is "USUALLY THE 21 FOOTER WITH 8 PEOPLE ON BOARD and don't speak english".
Remember that BDs now has a spanish forum and you may be isulting our friends down south with your comments. Or are you assuming they spoke a different language.
I didn't say that 20% of private boaters are are dumb. I said that 20% are screwing up their fellow anglers, and I attribute that to the fact that about 10% don't know any better and don't realize when they are ruining someone else's bite. The other 10% don't seem to care one way or the other (you may run into these kind of people anywhere, on a yacht, skiff, sportboat, or on the freeway).Reel Hip, I have no problem with some protecting their bite or chum line, I take exception to some of the OP statements and imprecations, 20% of private boaters are dumb,'and don't run over their lines unless they deserve it'. who gave him the right to decide who is deserving and who is not, the resources belong to us all and is the responsible of all of us to protect it, there are a number of members on this board who anoint a few and think they can say no wrong or do wrong.
Like I said, It's not my ocean, but it is not yours either. If we are going to fish in the same area we may as well do it as amicably as possible.
I'm not asking for much, just a little common sense and courtesy. We all do this for fun (myself included). Getting into needless confrontations on the fishing grounds takes all the fun out of it.
OK....devils advocate time....
Most guys don't wake up one day and think, "I want to take up saltwater fishing, buy my own boat, tons of expensive gear, a case of beer and go for it !"
Rather, (here's some projection) they start out on a sportboat or a buddy's skiff and imediatly get imersed into the culture of KILL KILL KILL, PARTY PARTY PARTY !!!
The first thing a newb sees on a sportboat is a sign-in sheet where they can keep track of how many beers and burgers they consume.
The second thing they see on any sportboat is a gunny sack, (read kill bag).
They may witness aggessive behavior from the captain and crew towards other boats on some occasions as Spike said in his reply.
They may get caught up in going beer for beer with their good bro who just got his first skiff..... etc. etc. etc.
My point is these behaviors are LEARNED from others, which gives validation to the behaviors themselves. "I saw my beer and tequilla bro drive over that WFO paddy and fuck all those assholes that were hooked up".....or...."That skipper on the ....was cool, he didn't say shit when guys started throwing iron at that asshat private boat !!! He even yelled at that skiff over the P.A. Bahaha !!!"
Add your own experiences here.....
Now add to the above attitude the intentional dumbing down of our society at large, the relentless attacks on social graces by pop culture and media and viola...a recipe for Markus's post.
Until the culture at the landings and launch ramps change, until someone in the industry steps up (expect a beating at first) we will be forced to deal with what we've dealt ourselves.
It's the responsibility of us the 80% to bring much needed change to our sport.
Who the FUCK do you think you are? It is their choice to pack as much as they want, as long as they are not violating coast guard rules and regulations.well its true i see it all time in lbc. Boats packed full with 90% of the time being asian, mexican, and so forth. We are not being racist when its the truth. Not saying that dumb rich white kids in dads boat do the same which they do. But when it is a number game to them (idiots) they see 5-6 people on the boat means they can get more fish. Regardless of race people will pack there boat full. My buddy has a 18' klammath. It says it will fish 6. Any more than 2 its a cluster fuck. people dont get it. This is the best post on Bloody Decks All year. Every private boater need to read this. These boards are to help you find fish, not pull out of the harbor and ask "where's the sport boats" its bullshit. If you where a contractor can i walk in to your office and ask to see all your bids to clients and thier contact info, because i cant find any project leads. ou would tell me to get the fuck out of your office. its the same thing you are taking business away from them who worked for it
Markus great post one day i will shake your hand once we meet
Amen. Markus, you have to admit that there are sportie captains that go too far. Case in point. A couple years ago, we were out by the 'Fly here comes grey light in less than flat conditions, and we get hooked up a 1/2 mile from the fleet. next thing i see is a sportie chasing me down! Then the asshole gets on the loudspeaker and tells the peeps on board that we were the bad guys!!! Then starts to shadow EVERY move i make! complete utter ASSHOLE!this is a great post. Thank you for taking the time to explain the fishing situation that we are all struggling with. However, I think a lot of the uncivil behavior is just because folks are a little desperate to scratch up something for their $200 in gas, $50 in bait, etc.
The only defense I'd make of us private boat owners is that I have often notice sporties doing exactly what they get so pissed at others for doing. Respect works both ways.
That is the reason I have my own boat. There is no better feeling then finding your own fish. Un fortunately with that latest bite, the bulk of the fish were holding tight in a relatively small area you get 100 + boats floating in a 10 mile area that have been choping at the bit to pull on some tuna for months, some tend to do what ever they think is necesary to put fish on the boat. If I'm out burning fuel I want to cath fish as much as the next guy but I will not try to set up in an area where it would affect another boat that was there before me. I would rather go home empty than screw up some one's bite.20 + years since I have fished the Lo-Ann, but it looks like she is in wise hands. Attention to all current and future PB OWNERS, if you are not into, and excited about using your own knowledege to find YOUR OWN FISH, and look forward to the HUNT using your know how, you have gathered through the years, YOU TRULEY HAVE NO REASON TO PURCHASE A BOAT other than the fact you may the money. Monkey see Monkey do anglers are a dime a dozen and never understand the joys of being boat owner
I agree totally, too many beginners without a clue, and then there are those that just don't care about anybody but themselves. Let's hope at least some read your post and learn about fishing Etiquette.