Should also say, I do use loop to loop attachment for pre-conneccted 40-80 lb Premier. I start splicing at 100 lb. Personal preference, that's all.
Agreed, it is all about how well the bait swims. When I hook a bait, clearly the skin around it changes color, it is darker around the hook puncture. I try to use 4/0 super mutus when the bigger fish are mixed in, just cause, but they do put a big hole in a bait. A thin bridle in the back should greatly lessen the stress on the bait. I'll just try it and see. Ordered some clear rubber bands, that seems to be the easiest way. Will either use a small bridle needle or just a folded piece of wire, which probably will make a smaller hole in the bait. If I can do it quickly without scaling the bait, then it should work better. We will see.IMO, its all about how well your fin bait swims... I get bit better when fishing BFT on live "fin bait" when the bait is LIVELY (this is based on 40+ years of west coast sport fishing experience). BFT don't seem to eat dead bait connected to a line other than a squid, unlike YFT who will often eat dead bait or even a chunk of bait... that's my experience fishing BFT on the west coast.
When the sardines are small or like back in the early days when all you had were anchovies you NEEDED to use smaller hooks and lighter line so that your smaller fin bait would be LIVELY enough to get bit... IMO, its not about the hook puncture, its more about the weight and bulk of the hook and diameter of the line as it relates to drag (towing it through the water) for the smaller fin bait application.
I have in the past, simply attached a smaller J hook, via 50# Spectra, to the loop of the larger circle hook. Put the J hook into the bait and let the circle free float. It works, but don't know if it works better than simply using the circle.Agreed, it is all about how well the bait swims. When I hook a bait, clearly the skin around it changes color, it is darker around the hook puncture. I try to use 4/0 super mutus when the bigger fish are mixed in, just cause, but they do put a big hole in a bait. A thin bridle in the back should greatly lessen the stress on the bait. I'll just try it and see. Ordered some clear rubber bands, that seems to be the easiest way. Will either use a small bridle needle or just a folded piece of wire, which probably will make a smaller hole in the bait. If I can do it quickly without scaling the bait, then it should work better. We will see.
John,The love for the FG knot is over hyped.
Its a great knot to tye when you have time and conditions warrant it. On a rolling boat and in a hot bite you will find few tying it.
. Don’t put the leader on the spool, that works too. You can get 3 rod lengths if you wrap your line around your reel and hook near the tip. You still have two bends in the line but nothing like putting the inserted fluoro on the spool.John,
You certainly have a boat load more experience than I do but I will have to say some folks over hype just about every method out there. And like you and many other have stated, fish what gives you confidence. The FG knot is something that gives me confidence. And I can tie it faster than most can change out a loop to loop or re-do a crimped insertion under any conditions.
If the bite is so hot I have to get a line back in the water NOW or miss the opportunity I would just grab another rod since it is likely that under those circumstances I could use my chunk or man bait rig to get a bait in the water.
The reason I hype the FG knot is that I have confidence in it and think others will find it a good solution. I also have a very limited skill set and capacity to carry and keep track of windons, crimps and pliers etc. And I have had the Albright and similar knots fail on me, probably because I did not practice enough to know when they were tied correctly. I have not had an FG knot fail me yet in anything from 50 lb. to 130.
The main reason I went to it was that with any connection I have fished that required inserting the leader into hollow I ended up with a coil of line that I could not straiten where the leader was inside the hollow. Watching a live bait trying to drag the slinky coil around left me looking for something else. I know I should have been replacing the leader once the coil started to show but I don't have to worry about it with the FG knot and I can adjust leader length at a whim.
9 bites yesterday on the tomahawk...used j hooks all day..all were hooked in the same place...corner of the jaw.ive looked at some small j hook designs and just cant see using a size 2 circle hook on 80 pound average fish. kinda funny that these young ( under 40) deckhands being amazed that the guy with the most fish on the boat was using old school cheap non ringed j hooksSorry, but it's got nothing to do with stretch. We are pulling on Guadalupe sized tuna with a SIZE 2 HOOK!
Next time you go BFT fishing, check it out on a fish laying on the deck, try and see how a size 2 circle hook fits on the hinge of a 150 pounder!
When I started long ranging, I was told not to hunt for elephants with a peashooter.
So, now we are using peas for bullets (the hook being the issue)
Don't get me wrong, I'm glad this Bluefin is biting a little bit, just wish we could use a tad larger hook and actually have a decent chance.
You are missing some bites only belly hooking baits...yes the trend is today to belly and shoulder hook...but being stubborn for a couple reasons gets me more bites...2 out of 9 bites for me yesterday came when I finally got a larger then average bait that swam good but for what ever reason didnt get bit. After soaking it out 100 to 150 yards I reeled in my nose hooked baits at the rate a VERY HOT bait takes the line off the spool during those times where you find yourself saying oh shit this one is gonna get bit..25% of my bites on a given day bft fishing that I NEVER would have had with a belly hooked or shoulder hooked bait is enough to keep me doing things as I always have.Belly hook
80% I gentle underhand lob for good grade tunas. Especially long soak in mind. Lobs do not back fire
But in conditions with no wind and no current and no swell. For this bft, I will over hand cast with 30-50#. When I think a tad of damage to the bait is worth getting it away from the boat
I hold the line in my left hand to guide a bait away from the boat, after a lob. If the bait wants to swim back to the boat, I pull line in with my left hand. Like reins on a horse. Once the bait is pointed away from the boat I release the line from my left hand. Then fish off the spool
I nose hook. Only slide baits
Doug,zzzzz. you would have a shoulder hooked bait spinning unless you went slower then a hot bait swims...much slower...even then it wouldnt look natural.