Line Over Run

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  1. Bigdog 1961

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    IMG_0320.JPG I have a MXJ 5.8 that is 10 years old and every time I use it to fish live bait I have problems with the line overrunning and causing a backlash. This not a thumb problem because I have a SX Raptor and I have zero problems. I have lent this reel out and he had the same problems. I have tried multiple different lines with the same problem
    I read a post on here from someone that said the earlier models had heavier spools and that is what caused them to do this so I ordered a new spool. The picture shows the spools with the new one on the left with the smaller drag washer and the spool weighs 1 gram less. It doesn't seem like this is enough to cause a problem but I don't know for sure.
    When I bought this I used straight mono and I don't remember that it did this or I would have gotten rid of it and it seems to only have started to do this when I started to use braid.
    Any ideas or suggestions? What spool should I use. I really like the reel but If I can't figure this out I am getting rid of it.
     
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    I have read of people adding magnets.
     
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    If your line does not lay evenly on the spool, you'll get backlashes because pulling the same amount of line out will cause the spool to spin at different speeds. This is more likely an MXL than an SX because you may not have the MXL filled with line so one side or the middle the spool is taller than the other side. There is no reason for the MXL to over run more than an SX. Really.
     
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    Thanks for the suggestions. To be more clear when I am feeding line during a soak I am minding the line but letting the bait take line as natural as possible and that is when the spool over spins and I get loose line that can result in a backlash.
    I had magnets in this reel but they didn't seem to work and I am not sure how magnets can affect an aluminum spool, or maybe I don't understand how this works.
     
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    The static magging is not used to slow down the reel by magnetizing to the spool. The magnetic field is what is slowing down the spool. You could mag a reel with a plastic spool and static magging would slow it down. Google lenz law. Also what kind of magnets are you using and how many?
     
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    I used two small permanent magnets that were called for in the instructions I was following. They used three but It said you could vary the amount and I didn't want to slow it down too much. Do you think I should try three? I have three other Avet reels and a couple of Shimano's and I don't have this problem so I am pretty sure it is not me.
     
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    AKSalmon I've posted enough I should edit this section

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    Magnets will have no effect at the speed the spools turning from a bait swimming.
     
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    I'm still relatively new to conventional reels and have similar issues with my Penn Fathom when fishing bait but not on any other reel. I just found I have to be more mindful with my thumb pressure because it has much better freespool than my other reels. This could be the case with your Avet. Magnets will not help unless the spool is moving at casting speeds because the torque from the eddie currents induced by the magnets is proportional to the rotational speed of the spool. If you're really in a bind, I'd suggest pulling the spool bearings and packing them solid with grease to increase the drag on it. Other than that, you're SOL like me and need more practice.
     
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    Exactly
     
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    It might be as simple as using grease instead of a film lubricant in the spool bearings.
     
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    If it is occurring while flylining bait it sounds more like bad mono or flouro with memory to it or just too loosely packed on the reel.
     
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    use a little drag tension by adjusting the drag adjustment knob when in free spool..
     
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    Contact Alan Tani and pick his brain. But like No Bail suggested, if it really is due to your bearings being too smooth just use a heavier lube in them. Also Avet reels have a bait setting when you first engauge the lever. Look on the right side plate. Still allows the spool to spin freely with just a hint of pressure to avoid spool over run from the live bait.
     
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    I've had the same problem with Izorline xxx.
    Even with normal thumb pressure, I think the line was so limp that it came loose on the spool.
     
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    Thank you to everyone for the tips. I was using oil on the spool bearings so I went to grease and it is fee spooling good but nothing like when I using the oil. I also use XXX, what line did you go to?
     
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    I had this issue on two reels with brand new 20lb xxx.
    I still use xxx.
    For some reason it was limited to these two reels that I had spooled at the same time. I think it was the batch of line from the mother spool. Something about it was different.
     
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    I've noticed a slight changed when the spool I'm buying is now stamped MADE IN CHINA and nobody believes me.
     
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    Also forgot to mention that one reel was an Avet SX and the other was a Fathom 25n star drag.
    My son was the first to notice with the Avet SX. I figured it was just not enough thumb pressure on the spool. Then it happened to me when I used the 25n.
    Go figure.
     

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