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Discussion in 'San Diego Long Range fishing Reports' started by Rodless_Jim, Oct 23, 2017.

  1. Rodless_Jim

    Rodless_Jim I've posted enough I should edit this section

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    200-300lb Kite:

    This setup consists of a UC CX 70 Gladiator and a Makaira 50W II SEa. The reel is spooled with 900+ yards of 150lb TUF-Line hollow spectra. Since I will be fishing on Excel I will have a 30' top shot of 200lb mono, and leaders as required. I also use a kite ring.

    Excel fishes the kite very well, and if the bite is on, I stand a chance of getting a big one. For that reason I do everything I can to make sure my kite outfit is ready for battle.

    I don't have any specific questions here. I'm going to bring my kite leader"kit," and I will make as many leaders as I need. But I welcome any tips or suggestions.
     
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  2. Steve K

    Steve K Hey, I'm gettin' bit...

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    I intend to spend some energy this season on this method. I saw last time that something like 3 of 4 Skippies got eaten by sharks, but the ones that were caught were nice ones. I don’t know that a finesse approach is indicated here, and I think a longer topshot of heavy mono will work just fine. No need for a short topshot as we don’t have to worry about these big baits having any trouble dragging the leader material through the water. I think my outfit of choice for this early morning exercise will be an Avet 50SDS full of 130 lb hollow, probably 200 lb Ande mono or maybe some Jinkai 175 lb that I have had for a while. The Ande is big stuff that I use for kite leaders and the diameter of the Jinkai is close to that of Seaguar Premier. So, maybe 10-15 yards for the topshot and some spectra attached to the remaining line in the coils for a replacement. Oh, pocket full of hooks!
     
  3. Rodless_Jim

    Rodless_Jim I've posted enough I should edit this section

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    To reprise the questions...

    30-40lb Wahoo Bait:
    1. How many pre-made bait leaders should I bring?
    2. How much 40lb fluoro will I need?
    3. What lures work best for Calicos?

    50lb Wahoo Jigs/Bombs:
    1. How much 60-80lb fluoro should I bring?
    2. How many of the 150-200lb leaders should I make up?
    3. How many jigs/bombs do I really need?
    4. How many YT jigs do I really need on a cow trip?

    60lb Baitmaker/Wahoo Bomb/Everything:
    Which sabikis for tube mackerel and how many should I bring?

    80-100lb Flyline:
    1. How much 80lb fluoro do I need to bring?
    2. How much 100lb Premier do I need?

    100lb Flyline:
    1. How much 100lb Makai, Yo-Zuri or Blue Label do I need?
    2. Should I bring backup spectra? How much?

    100lb Sinker:
    1. Are 3-6 top shots for this setup enough?
    2. What weight sinkers do you use and how many do you bring?

    100-130lb Troller/Dropper Loop:
    1. Is three cowbells enough?
    2. Do I need to bring any Marauders?
    3. How many Yummy Flyers

    130lb Flyline/Sinker:
    1. How many 130lb top shots do I really need?
    2. What hooks and what 130lb Fluoro do you like?

    130lb Chunk:
    - How many pre-made chunk top shots (100' mono) should I bring?

    200-300lb Big Bait:
    1. Would you use a 200 or 300lb leader?
    2. How long do you make your leaders?

    200-300lb Kite:
    Any tips for making kite leaders are welcome.

    Time to start putting any feedback to good use!
     
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  4. DesotoBound

    DesotoBound Newbie

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    233996EC-6A99-4C2C-93E9-C5EEF80DB1F9.jpeg Jim these worked great last season.
     
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  5. Rodless_Jim

    Rodless_Jim I've posted enough I should edit this section

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    Thanks Alex! Know where I can get some?
     
  6. DesotoBound

    DesotoBound Newbie

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    I picked them up online but can’t recall where. At the time they were hard to find. I posted it on BD early in the year.
     
  7. Baller

    Baller Jig Chucker

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    Amazon has some..
     
  8. Rodless_Jim

    Rodless_Jim I've posted enough I should edit this section

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    Yup, so does Melton's. I want to see if I can get a better price, maybe in bulk. Thanks for the info!
     
  9. DesotoBound

    DesotoBound Newbie

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  10. vegasandre

    vegasandre I've posted enough I should edit this section

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    Hey Jim isn't it funny how we are always modifying our list . We are becoming quite extensive witH our lists !
    Here is my ever changing list:

    30-40lb Wahoo Bait:
    1. How many pre-made bait leaders should I bring? 8-12 HALF SMALL /HALF LARGE
    2. How much 40lb fluoro will I need? NOT MUCH MINIMAL 1 -25 YARD SPOOL
    3. What lures work best for Calicos? 6X/7X WORKS FINE. I DONT BRING CALICO STUFF ON THE BIG TRIPS BUT WILL ON THE SHORTER TRIPS

    50lb Wahoo Jigs/Bombs:
    1. How much 60-80lb fluoro should I bring? 2 SPOOLS OF REGUALR 60 AND 80 , 2 SPOOLS OF YOZURI PINK 60 AND 80 FOR PICK YFT DAYTIME BITES
    2. How many of the 150-200lb leaders should I make up? 10-15
    3. How many jigs/bombs do I really need? 6-12 BOMBS AND 6-12 JIGS
    4. How many YT jigs do I really need on a cow trip? MULTI USE 6X AND 7X OR JRI TYPE JIGS- AROUND 6 TOTAL.

    60lb Baitmaker/Wahoo Bomb/Everything:
    Which sabikis for tube mackerel and how many should I bring? THE RED ONES. BRING 6

    80-100lb Flyline:
    1. How much 80lb fluoro do I need to bring? SAME AS ABOVE 4 SPOOLS OF 25 YARDS. 2 REGULAR AND 2 PINK YOZURI OR GET THE LARGER
    2. How much 100lb Premier do I need? A LOT -THIS IS MY GO TO.

    100lb Flyline:
    1. How much 100lb Makai, Yo-Zuri or Blue Label do I need? 1 OF EACH
    2. Should I bring backup spectra? How much? I WOULD BRING 100 MANY TIMES THEY ONLY HAVE 130 BUT ITS DIFFERENT WITH EACH BOAT.

    100lb Sinker:
    1. Are 3-6 top shots for this setup enough? YES
    2. What weight sinkers do you use and how many do you bring? Torpedo Sinkers in, 4oz, 6oz, 8oz,12 oz and 16oz -6 each but 12 of the 16oz

    100-130lb Troller/Dropper Loop:
    1. Is three cowbells enough? YES
    2. Do I need to bring any Marauders? YES 2-3 PINK /PURPLE AND HALLOWEEN
    3. How many Yummy Flyers -3 TO 6 9 INCH MAGUARO OR YUMMY RIG WITH #10 MUSTAD 7691 AND OWNER ST 66 5/0 TREBLE STINGER WITH 400LB MONO TO STINGER.

    130lb Flyline/Sinker:
    1. How many 130lb top shots do I really need? 6-12
    2. What hooks and what 130lb Fluoro do you like? SEAGUAR PREMIERE AND BLACKWATER
    HOOKS- SUPER MUTU
    4/0-40
    5/0- 20
    6/0-20
    7/0- 20

    For large baits , chunking and kite:
    Owner super mutu
    8/0 -10
    9/0-10

    Mustad 7691
    7/0 -10
    9/0- 10
    11/0 -10
    12/0 -10

    Mustad 7699d Big baits
    14/0 -10
    16/0 -5

    Mustad 39960D Circle Hooks
    20/0 -10 (flying fish kite baits)

    130lb Chunk:
    - How many pre-made chunk top shots (100' mono) should I bring? 3-6

    200-300lb Big Bait:
    1. Would you use a 200 or 300lb leader? 200 LB LEADER
    2. How long do you make your leaders? 15-20 FEET

    200-300lb Kite:
    Any tips for making kite leaders are welcome. 6 DOUBLE TROUBLE LEADERS WITH 200LB AND 6 FLYING FISH LEADERS 200LB. DOUBLE TROUBLE OWNER SUPER MUTU 6/0 -7/0 AND FLYING FISH SINGLE 20/0 CIRCLE
     
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  11. Outhouse

    Outhouse I've posted enough I should edit this section

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    Jim, my only advice is load your car the morning of your trip!
     
  12. Rodless_Jim

    Rodless_Jim I've posted enough I should edit this section

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    :imdumb:
     
  13. Fishybuzz

    Fishybuzz fishybuzz

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    I don't take anything anymore.... just use dh515's stuff he is always cutting edge and state of the art......:D

    Jim you are imo WAAAAAAYYYYY over thinking this....lol
     
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    afraser I've posted enough I should edit this section

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    Seems like we should all go with Andre and borrow something from him :).

    Make one rig for each, bring fluoro in 40, 60, 80, 100, 130, 150/170/180 and make what else you need on the boat. It won't be much.
    5 100lb leaders
    5 130lb leaders
    1 80lb leader
    If you are popping 2-3 100-130 casting windons.
    3 130/150/ or 170lb fluoro wahoo bomb leaders.
    That's it for fluoro. Anything more and you can make it as needed.
    3 titanium wire wahoo bait rigs

    This is the extra list, it assumes you have one rig already for each of your rods set up the way you want.

    I also bring a 20lb halibut rig for the bait barge. Always catch something and its at least 2 days of waiting to catch something otherwise.
     
  15. Steve K

    Steve K Hey, I'm gettin' bit...

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    Fisherman’s Landing Tackle Shop had those Sabikis on my last trip. Price? Don’t recall. All I remember about them is not using them on that trip as we went straight to the Bank.
     
  16. JohnTFT

    JohnTFT Insomniac

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    I need to get on board with some of this planning stuff.

    I have rods all over SoCal at friends houses.

    My tackle box is in SoCal. Didnt inventory what I used last year. Who knows whats in it?

    I have some reels in SoCal. Some reels are out as loaners right now here on the East side.

    Going to buy some new Penn reels (I wanted one but I cant place where two of my reels are!!) Going to have BHP fill them (I am lazy) and dont have a magical line counter.

    To be honest - I am really unsure of where most of my shit is.

    Boat Gear - is in my future. I just want to get on the boat.

    PS - catching tubes is a myth. They are very resistant to Sabikis most of the time,
    A cast net is much more effective - It doesnt matter what color.
     
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  17. Fishybuzz

    Fishybuzz fishybuzz

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    your planning is perfect......i like it....... it resembles mine.
     
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  18. dh515

    dh515 I've posted enough I should edit this section

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    But your planning sucks. I plan for 364 days...:D
     
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  19. Steve K

    Steve K Hey, I'm gettin' bit...

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    I just thought I was getting a headache earlier. Now, I know I have one.

    For me, it’s going to be really easy. You see, last season I invited a friend to hop on the trip the night before we left. He and I quickly assembled a quiver of rods and an accompanying bag of reels but he didn’t have a lot of time to spend on properly filling the trays for his SKB box. So, some of what he needed got left at home because he just didn’t have the time, so we kind of fished out of my box for the occasional hook or to make a topshot.

    Well, this season he’s had all year to prepare and we’re going to do it again January 10th. Oh my, he’s quite ready for the trip! Think I’ll take a peek or two, from time to time in his box this time. Makes my headache feel better. ;)
     
  20. Rodless_Jim

    Rodless_Jim I've posted enough I should edit this section

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    Granted, I overthink things...always have. Still, everyone is different. For me, having my bases covered gives me peace of mind. I am under orders (yes you JohnTFT) to be more mellow and laid back this time out. I feel like every trip I take, I do that better than the previous trip. I want to take a quantum leap this time around, though. I want to get on the boat with very little to do besides hang out, fish, and enjoy. For me, that means planning ahead. It also means cutting the weight of what I bring as best I can.

    I'm not planning to bring materials to build top shots this time, though that will be a hard box to leave behind. This is a trip of mostly very experienced anglers. As far as I know, there won't be anyone who either needs or wants to see how I do it. I'll have my own top shots made, labeled, and bagged. Same goes for my leaders. I'll get on board, get my gear placed/stowed, and that will be that.

    In the end, the effort I expend now is effort I would expend either way. Doing it now helps to ensure I don't leave anything (or too many things!) behind by accident. More importantly, it means that once I get on the boat, all I have to "deal with" is having a good time. On this charter, it's kind of hard to do anything else.

    OK, so I overthink things. I'm 55 years old. That's not going to change. Besides, I am not by nature especially organized, either in thought or action. Even with all my planning ahead, I will still be a disaster on the boat. I always am! But I will start the trip ship-shape. That makes my life easier.

    Thank you everyone for your tips and suggestions. By all means, please keep them coming! Thank you also for the good-natured ribbing. Though few know this, the past 16 months have been wildly stressful in my household...and that doesn't take into account being robbed on the eve of a trip. Anything I can do to laugh and relieve stress helps a lot.

    More than anything else, that is my goal for my upcoming trip. Planning ahead will make that goal easier to achieve.
     
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