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pescadorable

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Sure looks short seems everyone has the right Idea running a file thru your gauges if in question toss it bacon worth a ticket I was hooping cat and my nets drifted over the MLPA zone by about 100 yards ticket time for all 3 of us they to were very cool and only wrote us up for a infraction still 505.00 fine
 
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Carpfisher

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Short. Measure back to front., not front to back. If it drops and eyes roll--short.
Funny Wils....my first hoop was with Woody !!!
 
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Wild West

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Measure back to front., not front to back. If it drops and eyes roll--short.
Funny Wils....my first hoop was with Woody !!!
Yep, that's what a warden showed me right before writing a ticket a couple years back. He folded the tail under and engaged the back of the carapace first and then lowered the gauge and the eye stalks twitched inwards... He said sorry, his supervisor had told them they were giving out too many warnings and not enough tickets. Wrote us an infraction instead of the misdemeanor tho since it was so close and they were able to set the poor bug free unharmed.

The one tricky part of these measurements is that the back edge of the carapace is somewhat "plastic" and if you push the gauge hard enough things deform and a near short becomes short. It's not like putting calipers on a chunk of metal...
 

909MARIO

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Been a tough year. This one looked legal when I put it in the tank. DFW thought otherwise. Fortunately all I got was a lecture on proper measuring technique and some advice (go deep 100+ feet). I took the picture to convince the judge it was legal (if needed). After looking more closely at it this morning (with glasses on...) I'm not sure it would help me. I was very polite and the officer was as well. No need to get belligerent. They are just doing their job. Hope you all are having a better year than I am. Oh well, spring will be here soon and we can do something warmer. Happy hooping!View attachment 813672
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Team Ball's Out

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I was told by fish and game years ago to put the gauge on the head just short of the eyes and slide the gauge up till it drops in between the eyes and then towards the back. Reason being there is a meaty part of the flesh there in between the eyes. If you come in from the front you will catch the section of meaty flesh and it will make a just barely legal bug short. Just my 2 cents! I also take a few good swipes with a file to my gauge. Never had a problem!
 
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So Cal Adventure

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In May I had DFG board me, oitside dana harbor and measure some live bass in my bait tank. (All of which I measured carefully before putting inside.) "This one is under length if we fan the tail out like this,... see." (Basically he did everything possible to squish it short, it was half inch over from nose to tip when not doing that.) He lectured and preached, and basically exercised his law enforcement bullying talk the the fullest extent of what he thought he could, then threw my fish in the ocean and demonstrated his supreme mercy by letting me off with a warning.

I immediately went to the CA Dfg regs to find info about fanning out the tail of a Bass to get the "real measurement". I couldnt find it. Any guideance here is appreciated. Overzealous law enforcement is so dangerous for our treasured freedoms. Seriously, many of these guys need some training in "how not to act like an occupation force." Are they not public servants? OP got off with a warning, which was clearly an experienced officer who takes his work seriously, and understood the fishermans intent to be dilligent with the law (The kind we need.) The brazen ones who exercise wrongful dominion, make crap up, and act like bullys need to be dismissed and look for more suitable work as actors playing prison security guards.
 

Rabid Fish

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In May I had DFG board me, oitside dana harbor and measure some live bass in my bait tank. (All of which I measured carefully before putting inside.) "This one is under length if we fan the tail out like this,... see." (Basically he did everything possible to squish it short, it was half inch over from nose to tip when not doing that.) He lectured and preached, and basically exercised his law enforcement bullying talk the the fullest extent of what he thought he could, then threw my fish in the ocean and demonstrated his supreme mercy by letting me off with a warning.

I immediately went to the CA Dfg regs to find info about fanning out the tail of a Bass to get the "real measurement". I couldnt find it. Any guideance here is appreciated. Overzealous law enforcement is so dangerous for our treasured freedoms. Seriously, many of these guys need some training in "how not to act like an occupation force." Are they not public servants? OP got off with a warning, which was clearly an experienced officer who takes his work seriously, and understood the fishermans intent to be dilligent with the law (The kind we need.) The brazen ones who exercise wrongful dominion, make crap up, and act like bullys need to be dismissed and look for more suitable work as actors playing prison security guards.
He fucked up.

Unless another measurement technique is indicated (e.g. "fork length,") the length of a fish is the longest straight line from tip of snout (with jaw closed) to tip of tail.





As for the lobster, if the gauge fits over but there is NO PLAY, it's LEGAL. If the gauge fits over with any wiggle-age, not legal.


Put another way, "clickers" can be LEGAL, but only if they just click. The gauge should be stuck in position when clicked over.
 

plj46

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He fucked up.

Unless another measurement technique is indicated (e.g. "fork length,") the length of a fish is the longest straight line from tip of snout (with jaw closed) to tip of tail.





As for the lobster, if the gauge fits over but there is NO PLAY, it's LEGAL. If the gauge fits over with any wiggle-age, not legal.


Put another way, "clickers" can be LEGAL, but only if they just click. The gauge should be stuck in position when clicked over.
A clicker isn't legal but go ahead and try that argument with a Game Warden and get back to us.I've always understood the "clicking" thing to mean the gauge will shimmy back and forth just a touch which would mean it's a short.Why people will even chance these borderline legals is beyond me,you can buy two nice tails at Costco for about 20 bucks.
 
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Rabid Fish

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A clicker isn't legal but go ahead and try that argument with a Game Warden and get back to us.I've always understood the "clicking" thing to mean the gauge will shimmy back and forth just a touch which would mean it's a short.Why people will even chance these borderline legals is beyond me,you can buy two nice tails at Costco for about 20 bucks.
No, clicking just means the gauge goes over the lip of the carapace.

If there's "shimmying" back and forth, that's what I mean by "play," and that would mean it's short.

But if the gauge clicks over the lip with no play, it is legal.


And you're right about it not being worth the risk with the often-inept wardens, but just because they often have no fucking clue what the law is, that doesn't change the law itself.
 

hotrail20

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That's why I hoop in 300ft now No gauge needed they are all Big, F&G once asked me where I got my Gauge because it was Stainless steel and nicer than his.
 
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mullet

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I was told by a warden once "If a ticket will fit between the carapace and the gauge,you get to keep the ticket"
Seriously guys if a bug is that close it hasn't got a big enough tail to be worth it.
 
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strackle99

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I zoomed in the pic.

It didn't really look too close.

You got lucky
 

Paddyman1

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That could have been a $1,000.00 bugger! Good thing DFG was sipping the moonshine and feeling good that night.
 

T Shark

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In my opinion if you have to ask its short. You got lucky.
 

2strokepoke

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dammit danny! 26' skipjack flybridge
i always Open my gauges up an extra 1/16" to avoid any chance of being short and if its still a squeeze fit i throw it back. $1000 fine can buy a lot of lobster dinners
YES, this is almost mandatory, unless you have deep pockets to give to the state
 

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Honestly if you're asking that question, toss it back and get yourself one that's not questionable, but picture and story worthy.