Offshore Kite fish question

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Idamike

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I’ll post a brief report but mainly would like opinions on the handling of the kite rod on this particular trip.
Left the docks on this recent day and a half trip and we were fishing by midnight. I’m not going to mention the boat name because while I’m not happy about the handling of the kite rod, the trip was overall great. By 4:30 am I had four fish. Three over 100 lbs and one 40 lbs. All four were on a 300 gm zebra glow flat fall, 100 lb braid and 80 lb top shot. By 5:00 am the boat had about 15 fish and some of the others were on the zebra glow also. It was definitely the hot jig of tinge morning. Slow fishing continued through out the day with a mixture of sinker rigs, colt snipers and fly lined bait. A few more were caught on flat falls after dark.

Now my kite rod question. My number was drawn on the third kite fish. I was beyond stoked. Never had been drawn before. When I approached to take the rod they said no, you already have caught four fish. I honestly thought that they were joking until they called out a different number. I watched as they brought in a 170 lb fish. Much larger than my personal best of 116 lbs. Am I being selfish in thinking that fish was rightfully mine? Or am I being greedy after having a successful morning. Look forward to everyone’s opinions.
 

Spoons

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Nah, they should have let you take that fish and culled your small one to another angler who hadn't caught anything. Yall still fish for boat limits right?
 

Spoons

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I actually gave all fish to other anglers that got skunked.
ya then that's bullshit. i think those deckies were drinking some haterade.
 
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stuman

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It's a tough situation - if you drove from Idaho to catch BFT. However....

Benevolence is an act of kindness or an inclination to be kind. It's the quality of someone who volunteers in a soup kitchen, tutors children for free, and helps old ladies cross the street. Helping your grandmother with her groceries is an act of benevolence — as long as she doesn't pay you a dollar per bag.
 
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mike garrahan

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I've seen people give up their turn on the kite when they have only one fish and there are others who haven't caught a fish yet. The crew wants everyone on the boat to at least catch one fish. If you have been fishing for awhile and a number of fish have been caught it is very common to put the people with zero fish on the kite first until everyone has at least one fish then they go back to the regular rotation. The limit on a 1.5 day trip is 2 fish. You already had 4 fish including 3 over 100lbs and you come on here to complain that you didn't get handed the third kite fish. I don't think you are going to get very much sympathy here. Maybe after the third fish you could have handed a fish off to one of the other passengers who was having trouble getting bit. Yea, extremely greedy.
 

Idamike

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Man I was on a boat and the guy who caught a 130 pounder that day was called up for the kite and was the only guy who caught something on the kite and it was a 214 pounder
I was on a boat and saw something similar. Probably four fish total and the guy with the biggest also got called for the kite and brought that one in too.
 
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bazzturd

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On one hand you are selfish. On the other it was your number and should have been your choice to have someone else reel it in or not. It is probably best for the boat to make the choice because my rule of thumb is that people are selfish asshats that don't often give two shits about anyone else but themselves.

Now, that being said, if someone else caught the fish on a kite and brought the line tight, would you consider that your PB? I'm the school of thought that you need to solely handle the rod yourself to consider it a PB.

Just my .02, but I'm just another asshat.........
 
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Rocket Dog

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    I always have had mixed feelings about this. Can we as anglers and paying customers argue this point and bring it up with the captain?

    General limit rules are that you had your limit already, so they are right. Now, the argument would be that could have given your little one away so that the crew knows you are still under the bag limit of 4 for the trip and able to fish the kite.

    I don't know if this is possible but seems reasonable. I'll let othesr chime in.
     
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    Hismosa

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    I always have had mixed feelings about this. Can we as anglers and paying customers argue this point and bring it up with the captain?

    General limit rules are that you had your limit already, so they are right. Now, the argument would be that could have given your little one away so that the crew knows you are still under the bag limit of 4 for the trip and able to fish the kite.

    I don't know if this is possible but seems reasonable. I'll let othesr chime in.
    Limit was 2 for his trip.
     
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    kindafishy

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    now i don't know of whats normal to this situation since i'm always on my own boat. i will throw my 2 cents into the pile tough. seems like when you buy a ticket to any event, your buying the right to participate. seems like everyone that buys that same ticket should have equal opportunity at participating. (not equal outcome) seems like the crew denying you your experience that you paid for, in lieu someone else that had the same opportunity as you to catch fish as you, but maybe made the wrong choices, and didn't fish catch prior, thats not your fault. no one is guaranteed catching, only the opportunity to catch. and as i understand it, the lottery type system ensures a random, equal opportunity.
    now if you choose to hand off your opportunity to some one else, that should be a choice you should have, not a choice taken away from you. what you experienced is small scale socialism.
    i'll add, if you have already caught your legal limit, you should be done fishing.
     

    CrustyOne

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    You were (are) greedy. I would've have given up my kite rotation until EVERYBODY has got a fish. By that time I would probably hook and handed several more.

    I've been on long range trips scratching for wahoo. Towards the end the troll teams were thrown out and the only people trolling were anglers that didn't have any wahoo. Nobody whined or complained. I just had to catch more when we got stopped. But...to each his own.
     
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    MattFred1414

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    This has popped up a few times on here.

    I personally would have given the rod to someone who hadn’t caught something (as hard as that decision would be at the time). I love catching fish as much as everyone else on this forum and I don’t get that many opportunities to fish tuna. I don’t care if I’ve caught 1 or a 100, I want to keep reeling in fish.

    But you all paid money for the trip and you handing off that fish to someone who might not have caught one could have made that trip for them. I understand you didn’t have a decision but it sounds like you had a great trip weather or not your name was going to be called on the kite. If you had no fish you definitely have every reason to be mad.

    The crew wants everyone to catch fish. That’s what their paycheck relies on.
     
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    fishboy93

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    Your number shouldn’t have even been in the hat. You had a limit and some… the kite is for the anglers who can’t hook their own fish to give them a chance to pull on something. If everyone had a fish it’s a different story. And you should post the boat since they did an excellent job of putting you on the fish and taking care of the less fortunate anglers that had a hard time getting bit. Selfish to say the least.
     
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    stripedbizzle

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    why would you even want a kite fish at that point. its a hook and hand + from what ive seen on my trips and photos the deckhands usually have their hand(s) on the rod the whole time feeding line in/ help positioning, moving it over/under other passengers. kite fish (from a sport boat, ill preparing/hooking/landing on your own boat is an achievement) are like the ultimate participation trophy - you didnt hook it, get loads of help bringing them in, and youre on like 200lb+ gear.

    While ive never been in the exact situation - dont think id take a kite fish if i was drawing a goose egg for the trip

    Praying this thing never settles into a kite bite like it has at times in the past.
     
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    scbassmaster

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    Given the huge difference between the size of fish that can be landed on the kite I don’t like getting passed up because you’ve caught a few jig fish already, but if you are looking to get on a cow on the kite let the crew know ahead of time and hand off a couple fish after your first 2, I hate to have to play politics ever but seems like it might have helped. The crew ultimately decided to maximize the number of happy customers on their boat and that was the right decision for them, I’m sorry it didn’t work out for you but that’s the game we play when fishing with 25 other guys on someone else’s boat. You can’t please everyone all the time.
     
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    warichio

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    ^^^^ perfect example, kite fish are generally much bigger than the ones you can catch otherwise. Its not the same as a deckhand flylining a bait catching something then not handing it to you because you have fish.

    Lots of different ways to look at it and argue about it. One thing I think about is if you didn't get handed the kite fish, you get to keep fishing after you get limits for boat limits. You give away your smallest fish to others, and keep your biggest fish. Generally kite fish are bigger fish, and you should have your opportunity to get and keep your bigger fish just as if it were a fish you caught on your own, as it is a random hat and your number was picked. Deck hands wont take a fish out of your hand if you caught it yourself so why should they take the fish out of your hands otherwise? That may have been your opportunity to catch a big fucking fish but because other people don't know how to fish then you don't get that opportunity? Doesn't make sense.

    On the other hand, those people haven't caught fish and its nice to give them a chance. The boat wants everyone to get a chance. For some people its not the fish they go home with rather the experience of catching fish.

    For me its both the love to catch and love to eat, I love fish, bigger fish taste better to me in my opinion. Its fattier, more tender...I would much rather have a thick tuna belly to smoke that a thinner one.
     
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