John Collins Knot question.

Discussion in 'San Diego Long Range fishing Reports' started by bluefin grin, Jul 9, 2015.

  1. bluefin grin

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    Solid spectra to short floro topshot. How heavy can I go with the floro. 80lb solid spectra. 60lb OK? How about 80lb?
     
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    Both should be fine. I've used 50# fluoro with 50# spectra with no problems.
     
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    What's the goal? There are lots of different possibilities. What rig are you fishing on and for what?
     
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    8 day trip. Avet HX on a Calstar 7465L. Bait rig for 60 - 80.
     
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    I also have 80# solid on my HX Raptor with 60# tied on with an improved Albright/JC/Alberto's
     
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    According to John Collins it's fine up to 60#. I use it for up to 130#. I've found that if you put a drop of Tac glue on the spectra coils it holds fine, Never put it on a machine to see where it breaks but I've caught tuna in the 250# class using heavy drag and no problem.
     
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    Thanks for the info guys. Good stuff.
     
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    JMHO Here:

    I have tied, tried and tested the Collins. As designed and shown on video on Youtube, it is unreliable. Don't use it. I had it unravel on a nice bluefin.

    I only use the Tony Pena now.

    IM
     
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    What Mike said.

    I only use the pena now. Tac glue it too. Use it for all line sizes spectra to mono/fouro
     
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    Weird, I used it on my 8 day last month and caught my 30 fish ( 20-30lb. yellowtail and up to 60Lb. Yellowfin ) on 30-50lb. lines and not a single failure. put a drop of TAC glue on some but not all the time.
     
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    It is a great knot if you wet it & snap it, to lock it . It has has served me well & others that I've tied it for on school fish to 80 lbs. I've had it to shorter top shot rigs yoyo'n & pulled with the drift of the boat (65# spectra 50-60#floro) hung up & put pressure (after trying to shake off) to put the hurt on my drag,thumb,reel frame that you would not apply to any fish with this size line,& the conn. surviving 95% of the time barring scope of the line. When this knot first came out JJ on the Appolo used it in PV on several cows with no failures. I am not comfortable in cow land with it. Using the nub and nail knot gives me more confidence with a loop to loop connection. But I would be super comfortable fishing this knot to 150 lb schoolies with it. I don't think they would have it on the RP website if they did not think it would work. Use the knot that gives you confidence.
     
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    You'll be fine. I use hollow and nail knots for 60# and above. But in the heat of the moment when I don't have time to insert the mono and nail knot it and glue it the Bob Sands or John Collins works just fine. I have never used any glue on my connections that are not inserted into hollow. No failures. The glue doesn't work that well anyways on wet spectra. I used tac glue on my trolling rig this year and landed 2 wahoo.....inserted 2 feet into hollow and no knots.... Just glue.
     
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    just caught a 52# bluefin this morning with colins knot. 65# solid to 40# floro short topshot.
     
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    I have been using this knot (aka modified albright) with 8 turns up and 8 turns down for nearly 15 years and never had a failure. No glue required.
     
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    On my last two trips (8 day and 10 day) I have used only the RP or John Collins knot. On the most recent trip I started to put a drop of Tac glue on the spectra coils if I have the time. That new wrinkle makes a great knot even better IMO. I formerly used the Bob Sands knot and it also has never failed, but it did hang up on the guides at times. The RP does not seem to stick and goes through the guides much better. If I have hollow spectra on a reel and time I use nub nail knots and Tac glue, which also has yet to fail. Nub nail connections are the thinnest connection I use and easily passes the cast test as if the connection was not there. I do NOT fish for cows so my success might no fit with bigger fish. I really pull on every connection with PVC pullers coated with heat shrink tubing; if it fails I re-tie more carefully and test again.

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    caught 2 back to back 80 bluefin last year with the john colins it rocks no glue
     
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    great idea. going to copy this. just started using wine cork but it puts a tight loop in the mono that bothers me
     

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