Jigging / Yoyoing...same thing?

Texlee

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Down here in Texas we dont use the term yoyoing. We use the term jigging. When we jig, we
drop our jigs down 2-300 feet, depending on where the capt sees the fish; and we pump the rod
up and down taking line in on the down stroke. Is this what yawl call yoyoing out there? Also,
nobody throws surface iron here. Some of the boats allow overhand casting, some dont. Those
that do we throw top water poppers. Are your "jigs" and "surface iron" the same thing...or is there
designated jigs and surface iron artificals? I'm pretty sure what a wahoo bomb is (i think). Can
somebody educate this dumb ole Texan? Much obliged.
 

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Generally in the west coast, "yo-yo" style jigging is casting a heavy type of jig down deep and straight winding and dropping back down. Hence the term "yo-yo". Although we also do the up and down pumping, but mostly it is just winding in various speeds at a vertical or diagonal angle.

"Jigs" is a general term for the metal composite lure we throw while "surface iron" is more specific. A "jig" can be heavy, medium, or light in weight. While a "surface iron" is mostly a larger size jig that is on the lighter side so it does not sink as fast and wound on a horizontal angle near the surface.
 

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Trust me Tex, there isn't all that much surface iron throwing out here either, it's not for everybody, hell of a lot of work and patience required
 

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Down here in Texas we dont use the term yoyoing. We use the term jigging. When we jig, we
drop our jigs down 2-300 feet, depending on where the capt sees the fish; and we pump the rod
up and down taking line in on the down stroke. Is this what yawl call yoyoing out there? Also,
nobody throws surface iron here. Some of the boats allow overhand casting, some dont. Those
that do we throw top water poppers. Are your "jigs" and "surface iron" the same thing...or is there
designated jigs and surface iron artificals? I'm pretty sure what a wahoo bomb is (i think). Can
somebody educate this dumb ole Texan? Much obliged.
Hi dude I do jigging and popping, also surface jigs and yoyo, love to work the glider, and the spiter or chugger and the walker. Confused? They are just different action lures.

Learning to manipulate the lure like a puppeteer and enticing the bite is a personal battle, I do fish live bait to take a break and then back to the swimbait, the knife, the plug or the jig
It is just more fun, to catch them with lures,I rather catch one with a surface iron than 100 with bait, but that is just me.

The yoyo iron is straight down and a simple fast retrieve.
The jigging(vertical) or free style jigging is mostly one short lift and one pump, but can also be one long pull off the rod and let the lure flutter down, and reel the slack and pull again, reel and pull on the desired depth
On both techniques the fish must be located with sonar under the boat.

Surface jig is a sub surface lure
It kicks fast side to side and do an occasional long kick

The glider is like Walker with long glides side to side on top of the water.

The walker moves side to side, short fast moves also on top.

The popper is also on top can be a spitter pushing water line a fish feeding on top or a walker/glider, an injuried fish in pain

Jigging is lately used for vertical jigging

Yoyo is still yoyo vertical or 45° angle, fast/medium retrieve depending on species.
Cheers
 

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Sherm pretty well nailed it. As for your question about wahoo bombs, you can go to charkbait / Melton or any such web site and see what wahoo bombs look like. They are typically 4 to 6 oz. head with a mylar type skirt and a blade attached to a single J hook. Usually they are rigged with an 18' to 24" wire going from a ring or swivel thru the lure to the hook. They are meant to be cast out, allowed to sink 50' to 100' and reeled back as fast as possible. A very exciting way to fish for wahoo that must be experienced to be appreciated.
 

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Those knife style jigs rely on the rod / angler to make most of the action. The heavy iron yo-yo jigs are designed to kick on the retrieve. Ive yet to see someone out fish heavies on a sport boat with a knife style east coast jig. Doesn't mean it isnt possible though. many guys out here switch back to their go to heavies after the 20 dollar china jigs dont produce. Now surface iron is a whole nother ball game. Finding a jig that swims good and being able to toss it and retrieve it at the right speed....
 

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"When we jig, we drop our jigs down 2-300 feet, depending on where the capt sees the fish; and we pump the rod
up and down taking line in on the down stroke". that is jigging in my book, too

yo-yo is when you drop straight down and then wind like a mofo back up...not pumping the rod

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Its all in the semantics, Tex, and every jig and iron can be fished a half dozen (+/- another half dozen) different ways.

one specific example is Eddie above: "Surface jig is a sub surface lure". A surface jig can also be skipped across the surface for a surface bite - hence "surface jig". A 6X is not considered a surface jig but it, too, can be retrieved just under the surface on a fast retrieve when fished from the bow.

poppers are poppers. slow, medium, or fast. and there again, what is fast to some might be slow to others.


the only thing that counts is what the fish are biting on that particular day. If your style isnt working but somene elses is, go ask and watch what the other guy is doing.

and then there is the color debate.............
 

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Sooooo can the same reel / rod combo be used for all 3 applications. Jigging, yoyoing, and throwing iron.
 

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In general, you can use the same rod and reel for jigging and yo-yoing. If your rod is purpose built for jigging rod (such as the shimano family of jigging rods), its lighter rod action is used to help give the jigging lure its kick. That same lightness isnt ideal for fishing yo-yo iron, but it will work just fine. Likewise, for surface iron, that same rod isnt ideal for throwing the surface iron as its a lighter lure and requires a longer rod to get distance (8-9 ft is typical). But If you can get 200ish feet on surface iron, you should be fine.

Sooooo can the same reel / rod combo be used for all 3 applications. Jigging, yoyoing, and throwing iron.
 

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Are your "jigs" and "surface iron" the same thing...or is there
designated jigs and surface iron artificals? I'm pretty sure what a wahoo bomb is (i think). Can
somebody educate this dumb ole Texan? Much obliged.
I've met far too many idiot californians and too many nice Texans to use the term "dumb". I think you'll be most welcome to the LR boat you're going on. Most people going on LR boats will have more in common with the avg Texan than the avg Southern Californian (IMO, after being born, raised and educated in So Cal). But off my soap box....

Yes, there are designated yo-yo jigs and surface irons:

Common yo-yo jigs: Salas 6X jr, Salas 6X, Tady 45, tady 4/0.

Common surface irons (or jigs): Salas 7x, Tady 45, Tady C.

Now, to make things even more confusing...wahoo lures are typically: Bombs (basically a bullet head with a shiny myler skirt and largemouth spinner), raiders, spoons and jigs (either a 7x or a 6x Jr). "BUT WAIT! Isnt a 6x jr a yo yo jig? And Wahoo typically feed on the surface?"

Correct. But the 6X jr in wahoo colors (in every variation of purple, green, pink and black), are fished the same way you fish a bomb. All work, depending on the perticular desires (and boat pressure) that the wahoo have been experiencing. That's why those of us who are hooked on this have about $1-2000 worth of lures.
 

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So Wils, your torium 20 has a gear ratio of 6.2:1. I had to look it up. Does a reel need to be that fast for jigging, yoyoing and bombs?
 

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It also depends on the fish
Some like it fast, and some slow
A slow jig is the Lucanus by Shimano, vertical but slow presentation it is like a slow motion yoyo jig, designed to imitate a squid, but it is jigging
South in Cabo there is a jig called the Cabo killer, you bring that sucka fast on top, skipping on the water, and the tuna and inshore rooster nails them.
You get the idea, it depends on your target.
Cheers

By the way the salas 6x jr
Also comes in light weight for surface, they make both

My favorite free style jig is the turkey slider by river to sea.

Gliders I like the Seducer and
the lunker punker. Stripers loves them.

Sea ya
 

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So Wils, your torium 20 has a gear ratio of 6.2:1. I had to look it up. Does a reel need to be that fast for jigging, yoyoing and bombs?
I have no idea what the gear ratio is.....but it catches fish no matter how i use it. :)
I use my 20/40 stardrag for a lot of the same jigs and irons, but its a little slower.

I dont know about wahoo bombs.
 

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So Wils, your torium 20 has a gear ratio of 6.2:1. I had to look it up. Does a reel need to be that fast for jigging, yoyoing and bombs?
You can't reel faster than a yellowtail but you can reel too slow. If there are fish around and I'm not getting bit on the yo yo, I speed up the retrieve.
 

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I realize not much surface Iron these days but I do believe still effective. If fish are with in your view chasing chum or hunting in a wolf pack up top theres a great chance at surface iron. But surface iron is fished far different than yoyo or heavy irons. While on yo yo your grinding IMO on surface with the correct jig it is more important to get your jig to "SWIM" than any other factor speed included. Also throwing Iron for 8 hours straight is pointless. There is a gut feeling to it if you will. IF you see fish pushing the surface go to bow and throw some surface iron. If your not seeing the signs stick to yo yo and live bait. If you are fishing one side of bow and after a few casts nothing then go the other side. If you go to bow and 3 guys are firing 1 direction with no luck the carefully to other direction or don't bother throwing for that matter. I believe with Surface for good success its more about what your seeing than how much your in the water. ALmost a sight fishing scenario but without literally casting to a fish you see. I had a relatively lucky day on my trip this year and boated 4 or 5 on the surface jig and don't think I made but a couple dozen casts that day on the anchor. I just watched while fishing other styles and when the hair on my neck stood up so to speak I put one in the rack and grabbed the 9 footer. Paid off. I believe many give up on the Surface Iron as they set out determined to get bit on the long rod. Usually will end up in 100 casts and possibly nothing. Hope that makes sense
 

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So Wils, your torium 20 has a gear ratio of 6.2:1. I had to look it up. Does a reel need to be that fast for jigging, yoyoing and bombs?
The answer is yes, if fishing hoo, you want the fastest retreival.
 

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For yoyo, you want a fast retrieve but if it's spinning when it comes into view you're going too fast. For surface you want it to swim. Usually a medium grind but different jigs work at different speeds.
 

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For yoyo, you want a fast retrieve but if it's spinning when it comes into view you're going too fast. For surface you want it to swim. Usually a medium grind but different jigs work at different speeds.
Unlike fishing for Wahoo where the best jig is the fastest one, I think speed for yoyo fishing can be a little over rated.
 

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The original (most popular) yo/yo reel for yellowtail fishing was a narrowed Penn 4/0 with Newell 4 to 1 gears which is not as fast as todays 6 to 1 smaller reels are on line retrieve if you are fishing in shallower water (the deeper drop changes the gear ratio factor on the smaller reels as overall line capacity diminishes faster on the smaller diameter spool than it does the taller 4/0 size spool). I have personally found that sometimes on the yo/yo bite for yellowtail that you don't have to crank too far off the bottom to get bit so speed is not as great of a factor in that yo/yo application as it is with say cranking the heavier jigs for Wahoo or tuna. A lot of times a jig gets bit on the sink so you have to be on the look out if your line suddenly stops or twitches as you are letting that jig sink out... when it happens throw into gear and wind fast (I swing rod upward while grinding once I feel the hook has grabbed on) with the speedster Wahoo getting bit on the sink with the heavier jigs can be very frustrating as they will often bite you off with those razor sharp teeth before you even get your reel into gear.

Lots of different designs and weights for jigs when west coast sport fishing depending on application and targeted species. Rather than buy a bunch you may not use, I would check with the landing or boat just before a trip and see what has been working best, now granted conditions and targeted species for that matter can change overnight, but at least you will have the basics. Jigs to a jig fisherman are like jewelry to women... just cant get enough, and many of them catch more fisherman than they do fish, but that doesn't stop some of us from spending serious dollars on our artificial baits... some of these spin reel fanatics fishing the custom made wood artificials will spend $150 for one well made, well balanced, hand painted popper or stick bait.