Jig/Popper setups

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  1. Fincutter

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    Now that I’m stepping up to LR (from 1-2 days), I need to re-think my jig/popper setup. Previously, I used a Penn 25N (50# spectra with a 100 yd top-shot of 30# mono) and a Calstar 2708H. For my next trip (8 days this fall), I’m thinking that I need 65# spectra, with 100 yds of 50# mono.


    There don’t seem to be too many options for a tall/narrow reel that holds enough line. But I have a Newell 540 5.5 and Tiberon says that their narrowing kit would work (frame and spool). Is that a good option at $142.00?


    I’m also thinking about not buying a new jig setup this year because I already have two reels that would work if I can educate my thumb enough to throw jigs with a full spool of spectra (the 25N and a Pro Gear V52). In that case, I’d just buy a spinner (full of 65# spectra) for surface iron and poppers and convert it to popper-only once my skills allow me to throw iron with spectra.


    I saw a good deal on a Diawa Saltist 6500 and am leaning toward that instead of spending the money to narrow my Newell.


    I’d very much appreciate any thoughts any of you would be willing to share.


    Thanks!
     
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    I don't fish poppers, but my go-to outfit for an 8-day is a TRQ30LD2 on a CS700XH. 65# spectra and 50-100' of 50#. I think 100 yards might be too much for a top-shot. With this rig I can fish bait, yo-yo or even surface iron in a pinch.

    My long rod is a 30 year old CS540 & 20/40 TLD star.

    IMO, if you want to buy a new outfit for an 8-day, buy a great 7', 50# bait outfit, I think that is what you will use most.
     
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    I use straight 65# braid with a 3' leader of 80# for poppers.
     
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    It looks like the latest Saltist 6500 has the Mag Seal bearings for the roller and main shaft. Daiwa will NOT sell you replacement mag fluid if you want to self maintain the reel--must send in to Daiwa to service. If this is not a deal breaker for you then the 6.2:1 ratio makes for a great popper reel.

    Otherwise, the Quantum Cabo CSP80PTsE (closest to the 6500's capacity) or the
    CSP100PTsE is worth considering, IMHO.

    I also second Mark's braid to short leader recommendation.
     
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    Thanks, everyone, for the input. Even though I found a killer deal on the Saltist 6500, I'm not sure I want to go down that road. Not to mention that the Quantum Cabo sure looks attractive with all that drag poundage. I've only fished poppers a couple of times, for school-size tuna. Man, was that fun. But LR would be a lot different, so I'm a little spin-shy. For whatever it's worth, the deal I found was on Jet, which appears to be an upstart Amazon competitor. The deal is $182 plus 15% off as a promo for new shoppers. Here's the link: https://jet.com/product/Daiwa-Salti...87033lb33-lb/c07056413b8940aba681d8b40fd409fa (buyer beware . . . I don't know anything about buying from Jet).
     
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    I was in the same boat you were never fish poppers but looks like fun didn't really have the extra cash plunk down 272 bucks on my rig running a Cabo 80 spinning reel loaded to the top with 65 lb braids and a 7-foot 50 to100 lb spinning rod, a Tsunami graphite made in China good starter reel and Rod going to give it a try I'll give a report. I have the Forum members to blame for me buying it didn't really want to spend anymore money but what the hell might be a chance of a lifetime if i get a good fish on it , very confident on catching anything from a 50 to100 lb fish on that, if the big boy shows up it will be a workout.
     
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    I've owned my first Fin Nor LT100's for almost three years and used one for poppers for over a year now before I found this bucket of "kool aid" yesterday:



    Didn't need to drink since it only reinforces my existing belief that Fin Nor/Quantum spinners offer a high benefit-to-cost ratio...fits my "good enough" gear philosophy. YMMV...
     
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    This is my first popper rig so probably won't use it much I'm a conventional gear guy coffee grinders have their place just haven't impressed me enough to go out and start buying a bunch.
     
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    It's a personal challenge rather than a technical conventional vs. spinner thing. I've taken a line-up of both on my last four long-range trips...
     
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    On short trips, I've used a Penn spinner for fish up to 30#. No problem pulling 10# drag. But contemplating a Quantum with a heavy drag setting . . . damn thing might pull me into the ocean. What's it like fishing a spinner with 20# of drag? Short fight seems like it would be OK but any longer than 15 min sounds like an @ss kicker.
     
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    Another thing I've been contemplating is the index finger damage from spin-throwing poppers/jigs with spectra. I've never tried it with heavier line, so I wonder how it goes; the force you apply to get a good cast seems like it would allow spectra to tear the hell out of your finger at the release point. Would it work better to use 15' or so of mono to avoid this problem and give some stretch? Or does lots of finger tape do the trick?
     
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    Wear gloves. Be sure to use a knot between the braid and the fluoro that will pass through the guides smoothly. I.e. FG knot.
     
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    Id recommend checking out an Okuma Komodo SS or Daiwa Lexa HD 400. I never leave home without mine. Poppers, smaller jigs, they are hard to beat.
     
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    I've set my LT100 to 22lbs of drag (1/4 rule for 100lb line) from top of spool (24-25 lbs total with the guides friction factored in). My spin rod (Daiwa STJ70XHFS) has a gimbal butt. Once hooked up, put rod butt into rod belt, and you form a "triangle" with arm, torso, and rod. When fish is running, hold rod on top grip with arm(s) straight out and lean back a little. The fact that the LT100's handle securing bolt snapped on me was besides the fact:

    http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=14562.0

    Can use the Braid Reel Strap and harness for additional support but will need to unhook as one navigates around other anglers up and down the rail.

    Finger tape is your friend. Replace as needed.

    With heavier line, a RP knot for mono to solid braid with no glue that goes thru the guides and smacks them enough times WILL come loose...know this from experience. May experiment with other knots and glue but splicing mono and solid with a piece of hollow core OR going with hollow core main and a serve seem to be the best solutions to consider...
     
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    Hi Greg,

    I get to do a lot of Long Range Popper fishing with Spinners and have for a very long time.. Spinners are awesome for doing what you are asking but Technique is very important when considering working from a 100 ton, long range boat... All-together different from fishing from smaller, lighter weight, private type boats. The ability to generate large amounts of sustainable drag allowing for heavier gauge line makes an enormous difference for West Coast Long range or any time you are fishing larger than normal fish. Be it a large Yellowtail or any variety of tuna, a cheap rig is going to make you rue the day you allowed yourself to believe in these things. Lack of technique will only compound the issue. The ability to pull a reasonably large fish's head in the direction of the boat is the difference between seriously enjoying and benefiting from the experience and cussing out the inventor of Spinning gear.

    I realize you are in La. making it next to impossible to come to Bob Sands Tackle in Van Nuys, Ca. where I show folks how to set up, cast and catch fish these their Spinning Popper set ups as well as sell product if they are interested. However, anyone is welcome to PM me and I will be happy to discuss by phone. I have done this for more folks than I can remember, several a week at a minimum (When I am not out fishing) and so far the results have been great.

    I would highly suggest, if you are thinking of a cheap setup, not to waste your money as you will not be getting even a reasonable representation as to the capability of todays great products. The Saltist 6500 you mentioned though is a wonderful starter reel and will work for the noted application but be careful as the bail joints can break if even lightly ,dropped, hit the rail or mis-handled. You will want an appropriate rod as well. There are other options as well but cheap quality is not one of them.

    Best of luck in the up coming season and that wonderful 8 day you will be participating in.

    Jamie
     
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    Wear gloves. Be sure to use a knot between the braid and the fluoro that will pass through the guides smoothly. I.e. FG knot.

    Wear gloves. Be sure to use a knot between the braid and the fluoro that will pass through the guides smoothly. I.e. FG knot.

    I normally don't like the idea of gloves but a right-hander seems like a good idea for coffee grindin' jigs/poppers. I think that I'll buy a glove and try both the finger tape and the glove to see which I like better. Thanks for the suggestions.
     
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    Thanks, Jamie for the very helpful input. I will be in SoCal next month for a family visit and was thinking about coming out to Bob Sands anyway. Rumor has it that you've got some JRIs in stock that are missing from the lineup at Anglers' Choice. I'd love to talk to you about the popper thing, if you're available. Thanks!
     
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    Do any of you have an opinion about the other part of my initial question: is it worth spending $142 on a Tiberon narrowing kit for a Newell 540 5.5? It's a great reel (casts well, very easy to maintain) but I wish that I had selected the 330 instead. I bought the 540s (I also have a 4.6) because 20 years ago I went on a couple of trips to Guadalupe and thought that I'd need the line capacity for straight 50# mono. Given that modern reels with better drags start at $200, it seems questionable to spend $142. But the 540s really served me well on Guadalupe YFT up to 70#, so I'm reluctant to cast them aside (yes, it's partially an emotional attachment).
     
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    Let me start some trouble here. We do a huge amount of frame conversions on Newell reels.

    Having said that IMO Newell reels are junk. Always have been. Cast great, light.
    I get it. How many have I seen break melt or self destruct on good fish - too many.
    I would take a modified Jigmaster or 99 over any Newell any day.

    Buy a Penn fathom and dont look back.
     
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    dh515 I've posted enough I should edit this section

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    John hit the nail on the head. For what it would cost for the Newell conversion, you could buy a new state of the art reel. Okuma Cortez and Penn Fathom comes to mind as relatively inexpensive quality reels. Parts availability for the Newell would be another reason not to dump any more money into it.

    I would not go the Daiwa route either if for no other reason than their customer service is a joke compared to Okuma or Shimano. I've got a Daiwa 6500H spinner. I bought it new and it went on two boat rides and had not caught a fish when the bail broke as Jaime mentioned. Perhaps it got banged but I'm pretty careful with my gear. I had to send it to Daiwa for repair as they would not sell the part. Once there, they also replaced the pinion gear on the reel, stating it was bad. The bail issue is a known problem with this reel (easily verified by Google). If the pinion gear was defective, it came that way from the factory. I was charged for both of these repairs plus shipping. For all that, I like the reel for wahoo bombs as it is one of the few out there with a high speed retrieve, getting 53" per crank and not costing $1000. But the next time it breaks it goes in the trash...
     

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