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Rodless_Jim

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So, the other evening (Wednesday) I got to spend some time with my friends Ken Bush (custom rod builder) and Jerry Guzman of JRI. I personally do very little of note (I cook some), but I learned a heck of a lot, and really enjoyed the evening.

One thing I wanted to do was bounce an idea off Jerry. I am no entrepreneur, and even less any kind of engineer, but I've got a bee in my bonnet about something, and it occurred to me that Jerry and Ken could maybe give me some feedback (they did, and I'm grateful).

I also got to ask Jerry the eternal question: "hey, what's going on with the Intruder? I thought the one you lent me a couple of years ago was supposed to be the first one off the production line?"

Well, Jerry answered me up to a point, and the answer is, in very broad terms, that the production part wasn't going the way he felt it should, and there was an issue that he felt really HAD to be addressed. I'm not going into the details, but I understand why he felt that way. In his shoes, I would probably feel the same, but I am definitely not the natural perfectionist Jerry is.

Anyway, after quite a bit of effort, he seems to have found a solution to the issue.

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Now can we expect a sudden wave of Intruders to hit the market? Well, not tomorrow. Or next month, even. But yes, I think so. They will be starting to trickle out relatively soon now. If my assessment is correct, they will start to become widely available in just a little while.

In fact, it feels like this time, it really is a "go."
 
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I cat see what the second picture is supposed to be showing. Does this mean my JRI Intruder is defective?
It's not a very clear image. It's supposed to show the Hooker logo. These are authentic Hooker Intruders, cast from exact copies of the original Hooker molds. Unfortunately, my phone's camera (or my lack of skill with it) didn't allow me to get a good picture. I'll try again.
 
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Trying to figure out who has moved the goal posts more.....
Fauci or Jerry with this “fake Intruder thing”.....Won’t be getting the vaccine OR this Intruder
attempted re-tred.......Sticking with my original Intruders, Mag-Traks, and DTX’s....The window and my patience has long passed on both this lure and the fake disease....MAGA...!!!!!
 

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I thoroughly enjoy other JRI products. They are among many of my go-to jigs. We all understand items of high-quality take time. Hopefully JRI Intruder availability becomes a reality. If so, I will probably buy a couple. If not, there are plenty of other trolling jigs currently available to catch wahoo. I prefer throwing bombs and jigs for wahoo more than trolling!

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    The wahoo will have to wait, or maybe they are tired of waiting to die on a Intruder hook and just die on another hook.
     
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    The wahoo will have to wait, or maybe they are tired of waiting to die on a Intruder hook and just die on another hook.
    There's no shortage of trolling lures for Wahoo. They certainly like DTX Minnows, Cowbells, MagTraks, etc. Marauders and YoZuri's still take their share too! I have some big Halco's and Madscads... the Halco 220's are a lot like an Intruder.
     
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    I have a coulee marauders that are proven wahoo killers so no need to worry about I don’t have. Much like others I’d rather catch them on a jig or bomb
     
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    Hopefully JR gets a few big runs. Before knocked off to the point it's hard to tell the difference

    Sure has done allot of seed planting to have lunch stollen

    Strike while the iron is hot.

    Don't protect what is yours. Someone might come take it from you. Can't sue China. Or good luck trying
     
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    I get that people have gotten tired of waiting for the Intruder to finally go into full-blown production. I get that plenty have decided that it really isn't "all that," so why is it a big deal? That's a reasonable stance to take. If you have lost interest, and prefer to troll cowbells, DTX Minnows, or various Marauder clones, knock yourself out. I personally like the Cowbell Jr., and I've seen it catch a Hell of a lot of wahoo (it's the best I've seen on the slide, when it isn't the first lure to get bit to begin with).

    Still, I disagree with you. Not that my opinion matters, or should! But in my limited experience, the Intruder measurably outperforms all of the others, hands down. Quite often it gets bit almost as it goes in the water. The one trip I had one of the "real ones," there were several times when it went in next to four DTX Minnows, and it was the Intruder that got bit. In the corner? Bit in seconds. In the center? Less than two minutes.

    Granted, that was a wahoo trip, lots of lures got bit, including some DTX Minnows that were very productive, and my own orange and black Cowbell Jr. that got bit way back in the center on the one day when the skinnies didn't feel like biting.

    And of course, there are plenty of options. You may never want to own an Intruder, and you may not miss it. Besides, I don't get anything from Jerry or JRI to prop any JRI products. I don't have to because they don't need my testimony. Ask anyone who fishes them!

    But for the record, even after partnering up with the engineer who developed the original Hooker Intruder, JRI has had some frustrating obstacles to overcome on the way to production. There are reasons to hope that now, this time, those issues have been resolved, and they are getting ready to ramp up production.

    That is the reason why I started this thread. If you really don't care, well OK. I hear you. I think plenty of others will care...and I think they will find that their patience will have been rewarded.
     

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    I was acknowledging for those who want a Intruder. To buy a JRI Intruder

    And not all the other unknown intruders

    Dudes. If you want a free lure. Kiss ass better

     
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    I personally have two of the Hooker Intruders in the large eggplant and the large Tony the Tiger, and while I consider them excellent wahoo lures, they are no longer the “King of the mountain”.
    I prefer the Mag Traks, the new larger Halcos (220’s)....I think Jerry waited too long...the market waits for no one....Sure, if you like the guy and his irons, I understand the brand loyalty...but it IS very possible that they’re not as good as the Hookers...for me...
    He just took too long...Them Aussies just know how to make wahoo plugs, (Halcos & DTX’s)...
    They are however a close second to the American made Mags....
     
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    I personally have two of the Hooker Intruders in the large eggplant and the large Tony the Tiger, and while I consider them excellent wahoo lures, they are no longer the “King of the mountain”.
    I prefer the Mag Traks, the new larger Halcos (220’s)....I think Jerry waited too long...the market waits for no one....Sure, if you like the guy and his irons, I understand the brand loyalty...but it IS very possible that they’re not as good as the Hookers...for me...
    He just took too long...Them Aussies just know how to make wahoo plugs, (Halcos & DTX’s)...
    They are however a close second to the American made Mags....

    Couple points of order, John:

    I think it's a little unfair to say that "Jerry waited too long," because he hasn't "waited" at all. He never stopped trying to get the process right. It is more accurate to say that "it has taken him a long time." That is true enough, and if you feel like that is too long, that's your opinion. In terms of commerce, you may be right. Only time will tell.

    The other part that is not entirely accurate is calling this the "JRI Intruder," rather than the Hooker Intruder. Yes, Jerry did set out to reincarnate the Intruder on his own. He found that it was a very difficult design to dial in! But a couple of years ago (a little longer, I believe...maybe as many as four years?) Jerry partnered up with the man who designed the original Hooker Intruder. They have been working together ever since to bring the lure back to market. When they arrive (I repeat, pretty soon, I think) they will be absolutely authentic Hooker Intruders. They will be version 2.0 (to coin an expression), if only because the through wire is an upgrade. I imagine the hooks and swivels are too, but I can't swear to that. It would be correct to call any of the JRI prototypes from years ago "JRI Intruders." These aren't. They are Hooker Intruders, and will wear the Hooker logo (the purpose of the second photo).

    Now I'll be the first to admit that your points are well taken, but sometimes details matter. If you say that Jerry dropped the ball, I would respectfully disagree. Solving the issue(s) he found took as long as it took. It's not like he just forgot about it. If he has, as you suggest, missed the market, it ultimately doesn't matter why. Still, it's an unnecessary slander on the man.

    Refusing to acknowledge the authenticity of the design is a bad thing, though. Anyone who buys one of these new production lures is getting a real Hooker Intruder. I think that's an important distinction.

    As for the other lures, I've never seen one of the big Halcos, but I have at least one friend who swears by them. I've only seen photos of the Mag Trak. I've never seen one in person, and I don't know anyone who has actually trolled one. I am not in a position to comment on either lure.
     

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    Was there an issue getting the others JRI/Prototype models to swim/track right ? Or was there an issue with the swivels/hooks (quality)?
     
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    Was there an issue getting the others JRI/Prototype models to swim/track right ? Or was there an issue with the swivels/hooks (quality)?
    The prototypes worked pretty well, but they were never quite like the originals, at least as I understand it. I have one, and it caught wahoo. I didn't understand why getting the original molds and working with the original engineer mattered so much...until Jerry loaned me one of the new production originals. On my first trolling rotation, I got the starboard corner. I put it in at just 15 feet, as I was advised. I thought "this is too close to the boat!" I was about to drop it a little farther back (this is maybe 20 seconds after it hit the water). I stepped toward the rod to drop it back, and I got bit. It was like that pretty much the whole trip.

    No, I don't think that there were problems with the swivels or the hooks either. But in the 20 years since the originals went out of production there have been some technological and metallurgical advancements in fishing tackle. It's just my supposition that the new Hooker Intruders might have upgraded parts just for that reason. I have no hard information about that.
     
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    I personally have two of the Hooker Intruders in the large eggplant and the large Tony the Tiger, and while I consider them excellent wahoo lures, they are no longer the “King of the mountain”.
    I prefer the Mag Traks, the new larger Halcos (220’s)....I think Jerry waited too long...the market waits for no one....Sure, if you like the guy and his irons, I understand the brand loyalty...but it IS very possible that they’re not as good as the Hookers...for me...
    He just took too long...Them Aussies just know how to make wahoo plugs, (Halcos & DTX’s)...
    They are however a close second to the American made Mags....
    Check out the Magbay submarino, it's a cowbell type trolling lure, it has a removable nose piece, so you can troll it fast, or take it out, and it causes a lot of commotion, it has a iridescent head, and comes in a couple nice patterns. It weighs 24 ounces. There fairly pricey, at around $80, I've had several email conversations with Toby at magbay lures, they test there gear extensively for wahoo from Magbay to Cabo, and in the sea of cortez. I've had great success with there desperado series wahoo trolling lures, there similar to a maurader type lure, but more compact, and built like tanks. Had good luck with there spinner wahoo bombs too, there similar to a catchy tackle spinner bomb, but a tad bit heavier, and some better color patterns in my estimation. I orderd a pink and purple submarino cowbell yesterday, hopefully I will get some good results from it. I always keep a open mind while wahoo fishing, I'm in a never ending search for the next great thing, and never stop experimenting! But the fact that I have around 300 seastrike 33's in every conceivable color configuration, including somewhere around 100 in my own mylar patterns, indicates that I'm a sick man desperately in need of professional help!! I make wahoo junkies look like mere fledglings!! Hi! My name is Tom, and I'm addicted to Wahoo!!!
     

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    Check out the Magbay submarino, it's a cowbell type trolling lure, it has a removable nose piece, so you can troll it fast, or take it out, and it causes a lot of commotion, it has a iridescent head, and comes in a couple nice patterns. It weighs 24 ounces. There fairly pricey, at around $80, I've had several email conversations with Toby at magbay lures, they test there gear extensively for wahoo from Magbay to Cabo, and in the sea of cortez. I've had great success with there desperado series wahoo trolling lures, there similar to a maurader type lure, but more compact, and built like tanks. Had good luck with there spinner wahoo bombs too, there similar to a catchy tackle spinner bomb, but a tad bit heavier, and some better color patterns in my estimation. I orderd a pink and purple submarino cowbell yesterday, hopefully I will get some good results from it. I always keep a open mind while wahoo fishing, I'm in a never ending search for the next great thing, and never stop experimenting! But the fact that I have around 300 seastrike 33's in every conceivable color configuration, including somewhere around 100 in my own mylar patterns, indicates that I'm a sick man desperately in need of professional help!! I make wahoo junkies look like mere fledglings!! Hi! My name is Tom, and I'm addicted to Wahoo!!!
    "I admitted that I was powerless over wahoo, and that my purchasing of wahoo lures and gear was unmanageable." I bow to you, I am a mere fledgling! Hell, I don't think I even own 300 hooks, let alone lures of any type. *Sigh,* I have so far to go...
     
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    I get that people have gotten tired of waiting for the Intruder to finally go into full-blown production. I get that plenty have decided that it really isn't "all that," so why is it a big deal? That's a reasonable stance to take. If you have lost interest, and prefer to troll cowbells, DTX Minnows, or various Marauder clones, knock yourself out. I personally like the Cowbell Jr., and I've seen it catch a Hell of a lot of wahoo (it's the best I've seen on the slide, when it isn't the first lure to get bit to begin with).

    Still, I disagree with you. Not that my opinion matters, or should! But in my limited experience, the Intruder measurably outperforms all of the others, hands down. Quite often it gets bit almost as it goes in the water. The one trip I had one of the "real ones," there were several times when it went in next to four DTX Minnows, and it was the Intruder that got bit. In the corner? Bit in seconds. In the center? Less than two minutes.

    Granted, that was a wahoo trip, lots of lures got bit, including some DTX Minnows that were very productive, and my own orange and black Cowbell Jr. that got bit way back in the center on the one day when the skinnies didn't feel like biting.

    And of course, there are plenty of options. You may never want to own an Intruder, and you may not miss it. Besides, I don't get anything from Jerry or JRI to prop any JRI products. I don't have to because they don't need my testimony. Ask anyone who fishes them!

    But for the record, even after partnering up with the engineer who developed the original Hooker Intruder, JRI has had some frustrating obstacles to overcome on the way to production. There are reasons to hope that now, this time, those issues have been resolved, and they are getting ready to ramp up production.

    That is the reason why I started this thread. If you really don't care, well OK. I hear you. I think plenty of others will care...and I think they will find that their patience will have been rewarded.

    I say give the guy a break. He's got a full time job and he's obsessive about quality. Nothing wrong with that! And, BTW, while I've been waiting for the intruder, I've fished the hell out of JRI 4, 6, 66, 8, and Hooicide!

    Couple points of order, John:

    I think it's a little unfair to say that "Jerry waited too long," because he hasn't "waited" at all. He never stopped trying to get the process right. It is more accurate to say that "it has taken him a long time." That is true enough, and if you feel like that is too long, that's your opinion. In terms of commerce, you may be right. Only time will tell.

    The other part that is not entirely accurate is calling this the "JRI Intruder," rather than the Hooker Intruder. Yes, Jerry did set out to reincarnate the Intruder on his own. He found that it was a very difficult design to dial in! But a couple of years ago (a little longer, I believe...maybe as many as four years?) Jerry partnered up with the man who designed the original Hooker Intruder. They have been working together ever since to bring the lure back to market. When they arrive (I repeat, pretty soon, I think) they will be absolutely authentic Hooker Intruders. They will be version 2.0 (to coin an expression), if only because the through wire is an upgrade. I imagine the hooks and swivels are too, but I can't swear to that. It would be correct to call any of the JRI prototypes from years ago "JRI Intruders." These aren't. They are Hooker Intruders, and will wear the Hooker logo (the purpose of the second photo).

    Now I'll be the first to admit that your points are well taken, but sometimes details matter. If you say that Jerry dropped the ball, I would respectfully disagree. Solving the issue(s) he found took as long as it took. It's not like he just forgot about it. If he has, as you suggest, missed the market, it ultimately doesn't matter why. Still, it's an unnecessary slander on the man.

    Refusing to acknowledge the authenticity of the design is a bad thing, though. Anyone who buys one of these new production lures is getting a real Hooker Intruder. I think that's an important distinction.

    As for the other lures, I've never seen one of the big Halcos, but I have at least one friend who swears by them. I've only seen photos of the Mag Trak. I've never seen one in person, and I don't know anyone who has actually trolled one. I am not in a position to comment on either lure.
    I very much understand that lots of people are tired of waiting and have become impatient. As mentioned above there are plenty of effective Wahoo lures available on the market for every angler's taste and style.

    Even the frustration with those anglers who have helped to beta test; all the various prototypes, over all the research and development, is quite understandable. It's easy to erroneously interpret that people have received product for "free" or are being given some sort of advantage. All the effort in the end, is to first bring another superb product to the SDLR community & then to the wider angling world.

    Like many of the dedicated SDLR veterans who "fished the hell out of JRI 4, 6, 66, 8, and Hooicide"; anglers are dedicated to the JRI product because its gone through extensive R & D, is constructed with quality components, was proven durable, is well designed by experienced long-range "aficionados", but most of all, because IT CATCHES FISH!

    ("The proof of the pudding is in the eating", while the proof of fishing is often in the RSW.)

    IMHO: The JRI product will ultimately prove to be well worth the wait. ...it has in past and is quite likely to be so in future!


    Tight lines & screaming reels, to all SDLR anglers....
     
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