I don’t carry a gun to kill people!

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And the day that the USA does change the 2nd Amendment (by popular vote or Supreme Court action) or interpret it in a manner that is contrary to what the traditional American gun owner agrees with, and those people choose to start an uprising, or revolution, then they truly do become the traitors. So, I suspect I've worn out my welcome for a while. Appreciate the opportunity to chat.
 

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I grew up in a very rural area with a house full of guns in the 70s. My father was a hunter. Multiple gun racks and ammunition throughout the house. It was all there for the taking as was the situation with most of my friends homes. We never had school shootings, at least not one that I can remember.

My household is not much different. No gun racks, but my children know where the weapons are and that they are 100% off limits. My 8 year old and 13 year old are more proficient with a firearm than most adults I know.

Times have changed, Society has changed and there is an obvious disconnect with the youth of today. Ridding America of available weapons to psychos is a pipe dream in America, no matter how many gun laws are passed. It will never happen guys. You have a better chance of reinstating prohibition for alcohol.

I worry frequently about both of my son's being caught up in a school shooting. There are more than 500 students in my kids school. What would a parent pay monthly to have armed guards protecting their children at school?

Let's say 500 children at 20 bucks a month. That's $10,000 a month to go towards a few well trained armed guards protecting their children. Yep, we shouldn't have to do it but something needs to be done.

When's the last time you saw one of these pussies try and go shoot up a police station? Doesn't happen because they know there is a formidable Force at that location. I'm not saying it couldn't or won't happen but I would gladly cut the check.
 
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And seriously, you think the NRA or the traditional American gun owner (as I love to say now) is any match to the combined armed forces of the USA? Really? They are going to shoot their own sons and daughters in uniform? That ain't ever going to happen. Not to mention Abrams tanks and all the other neat stuff the USA owns.
That's hardly how insurrections work. The forces usually split down the middle with both sides just like what we've seen in Russia and other split Countries. As in, both teams get the good toys. Don't forget most in the military and LE are "gun guys" when not on duty. It's never one side with the good stuff and the other side with nothing.

Most politicians, that would start this mess, don't own firearms. Anyway, this would never happen just like removing all firearms here. But yet again, bans don't actually forbid people from buying them and it also doesn't remove any either. BAN BAN BAN all sounds great on paper to those wanting to find a solution but it's just not that simple. I'd do it again just to prove my point but I really don't want any more ARs or AKs. If you think a ban works what the hell are these?https://www.turners.com/info/weekly-ad#.Wporq66nGM8
 
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Only 9 states have background checks, in those states the including Calif they are very effective in keeping guns out of the hands of people that shouldn't have them. However if you live in Arizona I can get any gun anytime I want. So the age old argument of "we have laws on the books now" is irrelevant.
Not really much you can do for person to person private sales in any State.
To purchase a firearm in America, you have to complete the ATFForm 4473. Then a federal firearms license (FFL) can: Contact the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) through a state government contact who conducts NICS checks. Contact NICS call centers for a background check.
 

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So as you can see, there are two sides both with good intentions but with that being said, it will be years before any weapons are banned or confiscated if ever; wouldn't it be prudent to protect our children now and secure our schools with protective measures including armed personnel? We can all agree that is the best immediate solution to the problem and frankly I believe the kids would get used to it, just as we have gotten used to the TSA at Airports and Air Marshalls on every flight. Few things have changed since Columbine and nothing since Sandy Hook; do we really want to chance another tragedy while the issue is debated? The problem will not fix itself and it is the reality that must be faced before more innocents are taken from us.
 

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The problem will not fix itself and it is the reality that must be faced before more innocents are taken from us.
google "late term abortion numbers per year" then come back and ask Liberal gun haters who are not against late term abortions why they are so worried about a relative handful of later term abortions.

are random white "school-kid on school-kid" gun numbers that much worse than chicagos' every day "black-on-black" gun numbers? or are todays gun-banners ------- in reality ------ racists?

exploiting teen deaths by those who want guns banned is simply pathetic and carries no credibility with me.

Aggro knows my positions on one specific gun issue from discussions over the past years. I respect his. We disagree on one specific details but we DO agree that banning the guns is not the answer....nor should it even be in the conversation.
 

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80 million hunters will stop almost anything.....

Some in here must live on a deserted island to think we have a civil society.....far from it......go hangout on Commercial St. after dark.....you'll change your mind.
 

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How about banning bump stops? Why does it take so long? Trump himself is waffling again on this one..why? Why does one need an AR 15? Just because it's a legal right? They are cool? They are bad ass? Me myself not sure why any one person would need either. Im in no way saying ban guns, it's your right so don't get paranoid. guys that everyone is out to ban guns. Typical responses on both sides of the aisle here..Bump stops are a no brainier ban em. That's my opinion....We all have ours. Doesnt mean they are right or wrong....
 
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How about banning bump stops? Why does it take so long? Trump himself is waffling again on this one..why? Why does one need an AR 15? Just because it's a legal right? They are cool? They are bad ass? Me myself not sure why any one person would need either. Im in no way saying ban guns, it's your right so don't get paranoin guys that everyone is pit to ban guns. Typical responses on both sides of the aisle here..Bump stops are a no brainier ban em. That's my opinion....We all have ours. Doesnt mean they are right or wrong....
I'm ok with banning those too

 

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I don't carry a gun because I live in a state where I won't be given a CCW :(

I live in the same God forsaken state now but I did not always. I once had a CCW and even before that I carried a legal to carry small shotgun that saved my life one night when two men decided to rob me. There is nothing quite like the sound of a load of 00buck slamming into the breech in the dark of night to make people rethink their decisions. They ran and I let them. But that was Texas here in the Peoples Republic of California we are not allowed to scare the poor darlings less we hurt their feelings.:rolleyes:
 

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Yes and no depending on how you look at it. Yes if you can get a legal CCW for your state . But it becomes my business that your mentally stable enough to carry one. You have pass a back round check. You have been trained on how to use it, and know when NOT to pull it out. Having insurance in case something does goes wrong to cover any damage done.
I most certainly agree with Your statement.... and its still none of anyone's business if I have a CCW or not.....if you carry you better be legal and know how to use it...

oh have a great day...
 
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I see most don't understand the meaning behind the second amendment. Nor do they understand unintended consequences.
 
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So as you can see, there are two sides both with good intentions but with that being said, it will be years before any weapons are banned or confiscated if ever; wouldn't it be prudent to protect our children now and secure our schools with protective measures including armed personnel? We can all agree that is the best immediate solution to the problem and frankly I believe the kids would get used to it, just as we have gotten used to the TSA at Airports and Air Marshalls on every flight. Few things have changed since Columbine and nothing since Sandy Hook; do we really want to chance another tragedy while the issue is debated? The problem will not fix itself and it is the reality that must be faced before more innocents are taken from us.
It will be years before any weapons are banned? Try buying a Glock 41 in .45ACP or the newer Gen 5 Glocks in California and tell me about guns being banned from sale in the Peoples Republic of California. As a military veteran what happened to our right to keep and bear arms?
 
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