How Panama related to Long Range

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Panama and long range AKA Kilsong’s great adventure

I recently returned from my first amazing Popping and Jigging trip to Panama. I was fortunate enough to be invited by Kilsong from New Jersey who arranged for us to stay at Panama Sport Fishing Lodge located in Chiriqui. John, the owner, is dedicated to customer service creating a fishing lodge owned by an extremely passionate fisherman set up for fishermen…. And fisherwomen. He has an ongoing mission to continue upgrading the lodge until he can safely say PSFL is the finest Sport Fishing lodge in the world. To say we had access to the greatest Yellowfin Tuna fishery I have ever seen in my 5 decades of long ranging would be an understatement. Combine this amazing lodge and staff, a great group of fishermen and fisherwoman and John Logioco from Save the Bluefin / Atlantic Tuna Project who brought Tuna Tagging to Panama and we had the making of one heck of a fishing trip. Add on some large gift certificates and cash awards from Dennis Braid , John and Kil for the biggest and most fish tagged and released. Maaan this was one cool trip.

So what does a land-based operation have to do with Long Range?? I guess you will just have to read on or quit now as this is going to be a long report. It will be up to the moderators to decide if this post is in the right spot…. I believe it is.

Kilsong is an amazing guy who just loves to promote the concept of Popping and Jigging just because he loves it. For those who might believe Kil has a financial interest in promoting the sport you will want to think again. Though Kil has a wonderful shop dedicated to Popping and Jigging I find it had to believe he is making much money. Rather Kil is spending a bunch of his own money developing new rods, testing new product, etc. using on the water results to determine the next direction in this wonderful sport. What I learned with Kil’s group of wonderful fishermen and fisherwoman will absolutely translate into the world of Long Range.
In return I hope I left a few Long Range West Coast techniques with them. Here is a link to Kils web site.

http://www.jignpop.com/

I will bypass the time spent the first night and travel day to the lodge though it was really cool in Panama City. However the second day was spent rigging up and checking out everyone’s gear. Mostly all Shimano 18000 and 20000 spinners filled with 80, 100 and 130 Hollow Spectra. Jerry Brown seemed to be well represented in this department. Though I have been exchanging information for years with other coasts and Asia their usual choice was Solid spectra due to concern for wind knots. I have been extolling the virtues of Hollow for many years so it was nice to see the majority of folks had finally opted for Spinners filled with Hollow with no intention of going back to solid. However, I still had not convinced either the East Coast or Asian fishermen to forgo their rather difficult to tie Mid or PR knots in favor of the hollow loop with a connection of loop to loop or inline splice. I did on the other hand get a chance to teach the simpler and I believe stronger Bob Sand’s knot to some of the folks and I think they liked it. I do know the Bob Sand’s knots I tied for other there never failed… Thank goodness. Of course no failures occurred on my loop-to-loop connections either but I knew that going in.

I had been hoping to fish with Kil and his group for many years so I could show them the joys of Conventional reel Popping to be an addition to the Spinners they have come to rely on. I brought 1 Super Seeker 80XH (My personal favorite for throwing artificials heavier than 100 grams, 1 Calstar 850 with 3 inches cut off the tip and 1 first generation Black hole Cow rod 7 feet long. All rods were set up for Conventional reels. Because I knew I could borrow Spinner set-ups at the well-supplied lodge so my Accurate Spinners stayed home.

The third day of the trip my two other boat mates, Chris, Willy and I hopped aboard a twin powered 31 foot center consol and sped our way at over 30 knots to discover what I noted as a 7 square mile single school of boiling Yellowfin Tuna. The fish are mostly up.... and sometimes down but pop up again within minutes. Boiling fish in places too numerous to count. Big fish, little fish, the largest congregation of Dolphins/Porpoise I have ever seen (Not really sure which these are), huge schools of Bonito for those who wish to fish bigger baits for big Tuna, Giant Marlin or ? Most stops have the fish finders lit up most of the day for non popper, below the surface, type experiences. I cannot even imagine how many hundreds of Tuna one could get on small live bait brought in from the outside like Sardines, if you could keep them alive in the warm water, but at this point who cares. Popper fishing in this fishery is just sick and off the hook great. The technique involved looking for the nearest boiling group of fish, accelerate from 0 to 30 knots for about 100 yds and then back to 0 all in about 10 seconds. This is slightly different than the Long Range run and gun where we accelerate to 10 knots and then slow down to 0 in about 1000 yds. Check out some pictures by others but yes, this is what it was like more than half the trip:

http://www.360tuna.com/forum/f76/yfts-baitball-feeding-frenzy-march-2011-warning-18029/

The key to success on our trip was to be able to get a cast off while the boat was slowing and not waiting until it stopped since the group of Tuna would sound within seconds of our approach. Since Willy and Chris are less than half my age they were shooting casts at about 15 knots as the boat slowed to a stop. Though I have great sea legs I cannot compete with youth when it comes to casting from a rapidly slowing, tilting and yawing, bucking bronco of a center console fishing boat. Both Kil and I found ourselves casting a few seconds behind the young guys getting in the water but in these conditions that made a bit of a difference. When Captain Chicci noted to Kil he should get in the water faster both Kil and I looked at each other, laughed and noted we were going plenty fast…… At least for us as we both knew we would be casting Poppers for 5 days straight and we both wanted to be still standing by the last cast of the last day yet still be able to raise a glass of Scotch on the rocks to our mouths back at the lodge. Sort of like the story of the Old and young Bulls standing on the hill but that is a story for another time. Understandably everyone throwing poppers for 5 days were feeling the effects by the end of the last day. Yet Kil and I succeeded as we easily hoisted at least one and maybe two Scotch/Rocks to toast an amazing and successful trip.

Now for a bit of information I will use on future long range trips: Those who know me or who have fished Long Range with me know I prefer casting artificials over all other forms of fishing. I have gone 8 days straight without ever putting a bait on a hook and although I realize artificials are rarely more effective than area specific live bait it really does not matter to me. Since I do not eat fish it is really more about the fun or challenge of doing something different rather than the meat.

Since I noted I only brought Conventional reel set ups I brought a ton of premade loop to loop top shots knowing, per past experience, I would be changing out top shots as much as 3 times a day. What I discovered after the first hour or two on a moderately hot but humid day was my Momoi regular line was as limp as a…… Well let’s just say Viagra could not help my mono. Though for the first hour I could throw every bit as far and sometimes further using metal lures as these Excellent Spinner guys catching big baits for those who wanted to bait fish I soon found out my now limp mono was useless on Poppers of any size. Worse, the spare top shot spools I kept on the boat were equally useless, as they had also been exposed to the hot, humid weather. What started out as my intention to show all these wonderful fishermen the joys of conventionals turned into my own sort of fisherman’s hell.

Both Chris and Willy offered to lend me a Spinner outfit but my own hard headedness forced me to make my best effort at figuring out why my Casts were just messed up. And thus, from a screwed up first day of popper fishing using conventionals combined with my new, though limited knowledge of Salt Water Fly fishing, I finally realized the limitations of NON TROPICAL rated mono lines for casting in hot and or humid weather. I sure could have used this information about 5 decades ago but Oh well, better late than never.

Because when fishing long range I keep my top shots in my much cooler state room prior to installation on my reels the line generally took a great deal longer to lose its properties than it did in Panama. I always knew my line went a bit limp after exposure to the hot sun Long ranging but I really never added 2 plus 2 to figure out why I was really changing out my top shots so often on our Mexico Long Range adventures.

Now I began to understand why folks love to cast free spinning reels such as Newels as I really believe even limp lines will cast fine or at least reasonably well on these silky smooth single speed Conventionals. Not so true when a fisherman like myself prefers my Accurate 870 2 speeds or other 2 speed reels when throwing poppers or surface iron for bigger fish. Now throw in the wind catching ability of large or small Poppers and you will see why most folks I know have trouble throwing these things using 2 speed Conventional Reels on a hot and humid Long Range day.

Although a properly tossed Popper will travel through the air butt first if they are weighted appropriately there is still much more wind resistance than any mid water or top water surface iron. So for all of you who have tried Poppers but have given up after you birds nested once to often please note there is hope. Though some may not like the answer I have been hopelessly hooked on using proper Spinners for casting Poppers to bigger and Giant Tuna.

So now my goal, and hopefully some of you Long Rangers out there might already know, is to determine what is the best Tropical use mono on the market. Again, my testing will show up on another post once I have actually tried them but I would love any suggestions on which lines to test out or the results of those of you who have already experimented.

Thus, after beating my head and other lower extremity parts against a wall or bulkhead trying to get my limp Conventional mounted line straightened out, I finally caved in and accepted Kil’s generous offer to test drive some of his new or experimental Popping rods, mostly Black Hole combined with his Shimano Stella SW Spinners, and here my life in Panama and Long Ranged changed dramatically. Of course the first thing I did was cut out Kil’s fancy Spectra to Mono knot, put in a hollow loop and then looped on a very short 130 pound test top shot. Heck I could have put on a 200 pound test top shot and my casting distance still would not have been affected. Such is the joy of casting Spinners. Now the angler can really put the wood to the fish knowing their top shots will not break or be chewed through unless the fight goes on too long.

I really only use my big spinners on bait and have never thrown anything much heavier than a big sardine with my spinning gear yet I immediately was able to toss good distances with Kil’s Demo Rod and a large Halco Roosta Popper. Though Halco was not too well known amongst this Popper Crowd my Green with Chartruese 190 size Popper had the Yellow Fin Tuna eating the Paint eaten off of it. Chris was really on fire with his 150 size Skipjack and Willy starting getting hot with a smaller Halco Roosta Popper I provided him. I cannot remember what Kil was fishing on his 10.5 foot prototype but all sorts Yellow Fin were hammering our Poppers. I have not cut apart the Halcos to determine if they have a wire harness inside though I am told these things will hold up to big Tuna by the guys at Accurate who are the wholesalers in our area. Another super hot Popper employed by Scott, the hottest stick in the group, was the Yozuri Bull Shashimi in a reflective color changing finish. The yellow or chartreuse underbelly seemed to be a hot ticket blowing away the white bottomed Poppers. A deeper blue topping to the Popper was another winner.

Just a note about color on Poppers and Jigs: I have always maintained and continue to believe color makes as big a difference as shape and size on any artificial lure.
For those of you who tell me Tuna are color blind frankly I do not care if they are deaf, dumb and blind, Color makes a difference. On this trip it was clear certain poppers, specifically in certain color combinations, yielded amazing results while the same exact popper in a different color produced almost nothing. To prove this out we traded rigs amongst ourselves. The results were indisputable as regardless the angler throwing the hot popper the results were the same. The hot colored and shaped popper continued to yield amazing results and the different color in the exact same popper suffered. It is important to note Poppers are quite different from iron as the swim pattern of iron can be affected by numerous outside influences such as a misplaced hole at the head or tail of the jig. Not so much on a popper being
Used to push water. Thus, in my mind, color absolutely does have an influence on the results of artificials being employed on Yellow Fin Tuna.

Since this group of anglers was actively participating in John’s tagging program many of us were using single hooks rather than trebles. The draw back to this was though our Poppers were getting mauled getting a hook to sink home was much more difficult. Because Trebles do not “Rudder” a Popper the combination of a treble and stinger can be a lethal combination when looking to kill something. I have even considered trying a treble as a stinger should I wish to bring home some Tuna on a Long Range trip. The success of this tagging trip was shown as about 60 Yellow Fin tuna were tagged and released. One can only hope some of the tags are sent back in so the group can create some models of travel of this huge school of Tuna.

As I noted previously everyone had changed over to hollow spectra for their big Tuna Spinning gear yet no body was using the hollow loop or in line splice for their Spectra to Mono/Flouro connections. When I showed folks who had never seen the technique before how to put in a hollow loop and then add the loop to loop short wind on there was not question folks wanted more. The real concern of Popper fishermen is to make sure none of the encased Mono, inside the Spectra, could hang up or go through the tip or guides. Kil felt this could affect casting distance. Though I used about a 1 or 2 foot Mono wind on I still had about 4 feet of Mono inside the hollow. Though I usually have about 4 or 5 feet hanging out from the tip, thus assuring only non inserted spectra is inside the tip, the run and gun style we were employing combined with the ease of casting a Spinner allowed anglers to only have a few feet of line hanging from their tip. Therefore the question came can we get great results and strength from an insertion of only 1 or 2 feet of mono into the Hollow Spectra. My answer was though I have heard of great results from folks I respect in the industry regarding shorter and shorter insertion lengths I will not give my opinion until I have completely tested these connections. My gut feeling is 4 feet is better than 1 but others seem to be getting great results so we will see. I would love to hear more from folks who have actually tested the very short insertion lengths.

The last note I have regarding the difference between Conventionals and Spinners is on our run and gun style from a smaller and less stable boat than a Long Ranger the ability of the angler to shift their weight during the cast is greatly reduced or eliminated altogether. Therefore the Spinner caster has a large advantage when conditions are such that a perfect form cast is next to impossible. Additionally a screwed up cast merely results in the angler just winding up and starting again.
Birds nests are almost a thing of the past. The reason this is important for Long Range is when anglers get tired or their beer consumption reaches critical mass the ratio of good casts to birds nest goes waaaay down. Not so much on Spinners.

Conventional only anglers state well great, now you have hooked into a big Tuna now go get your butt kicked by your Spinner gear. Well this may or may not be true but I am applying techniques I have recommended before using less bend in the rod and more upper torso movement to convince a Tuna to point its head towards the boat. By using a NON pump up and wind down technique along with the great drag pressure we are afforded by these high end Spinners, we can land bigger and bigger tuna in less and less time. I believe this has and will continue to translate onto a Long Range application as Long Range folks begin to get more comfortable or are taught different techniques for landing bigger fish on Spinners. On our 31 to 35 foot center console boats some of us were landing 70 or 80 pound Yellow Fin in 1 to 3 minutes. Having a 130 pound wind on attached to a full spool of 100 pound Spectra which does not affect the swim pattern of a bait is a huge advantage when fishing Long Range Destinations such as the Rocks, Ridge, Lupe and Cedros. Throwing a bait or artificial and quickly landing a fish has never been easier once the angler learns some proper Spinner techniques. The new rods being developed by Kil, in conjunction with companies such as Black Hole as well as other stick manufacturers, are really moving in the direction of landing bigger and bigger fish. I was fortunate enough to have Kil allow me the pleasure of test driving many of the new rods and I was impressed enough to plan to order two different Black Hole Popping rods from Kil. The Black Hole Nano Technology and the Graphite 8 foot popping rods really impressed me so I cannot wait to test them on my next Long Range Trip. Though I would not recommend these for your standard conventional long ranger these things are off the hook great for Spinner/Popper fishermen on all coasts.

The Last technique, which I need to discuss, is the Deep Water type Jigging being successfully employed by other coasts yet rarely used on West Coast Long Range trips. The Jigs we used were at least 10 OZ long type jigs using a single or double stinger. I noted this was a Popping trip but it really was a Popping and Jigging trip though most of us Popped. However, once I witnessed just how effective a properly fished appropriate heavy jig was I just had to give it a shot. Though Poppers may not be any where near as effective as live bait in catching big Tuna I DO BELIEVE heavy jigging, properly performed with the right jigs, can give the bait fishermen a run for their money on Long Range Tuna trips. Of course any species including Yellow Tail, Amberjack, Grouper, etc. can easily fall under the spell of a properly retrieved heavy jig. All too often I have resisted putting on weight to my fly lined bait when the skipper is continually stating he is metering fish at 15 fathoms. Yeah I know but we can all be knuckleheads and not listen to the skipper. Though 90 feet does not sound like deep jigging this really is where these deep jiggers can shine as well as deeper requirements. Between the flutter down and the proper retrieve pattern these jigs can be an aphrodisiac to those Tuna down below. This is all together different and easier than our dropping PL68’s and Tady 15’s as these deeper jigs just retrieve easier. However, the angler needs to be in better shape than usual to employ this technique but Maaan is it effective. In my opinion the Spinner revolution is coming to West Coast Long Range as it can be a great equalizer for new comers or those who are not great at lobbing or casting a bait into the zone. I spoke with Dennis Braid before the trip and discussed making some longer quick release straps for his Harnesses to be used with Braid’s D ring straps for Spinners to accommodate the longer butt sections normally found on spinning rods. The combination of a properly setup Harness and a Spinner may find more and more folks fishing spinners for giant tuna. Additionally these great Spinners may bring about a new generation of folks who will come to enjoy the pleasures found in casting artificials to all sorts of finned creatures. The only draw back is it is going to get more crowded in the bow. Oh well, I guess I will just have to live with that.

For those who will be joining the Intrepid in Panama all I can tell you is hold on to your hats… Literally. If the fishing is any where near what I experienced, I am told it is like this every year, you are not going to believe what you might find here. In our short time there we had Yellow Fin to around 230 pounds, Marlin to over 450 pounds, Cubera Snapper, Amberjack and more and we were fishing mostly aritificials. I am not sure if the Intrepid will be bringing in any Sardines but you can easily load up on Bonita by the mainland, which are like candy baits to all the big fish in the area. Artificials should be heavily considered for variety on this trip as I believe you will be fishing from smaller boats with local captains. Pre organize a group who wants to target top water or Jig for Tuna or other species and have at it. Spinners and poppers along with Knife style jigging should really be considered. This should be unlike anything you have experienced previously and may give rise to an outbreak of artificial envy followed by a true addiction to non live bait endeavors.

Make sure you bring hats; sunscreen rated to 70 would not be a bad idea. Light Long Sleeved fishing shirts, which dry quickly and do not wrinkle will be perfect protection from the sun. Sun Glasses are a must so bring 2 pair. Make sure to bring a large Bubba Keg type mug to keep in a near spot as you cannot drink too much water here. If you do not drink enough you will dehydrate. Make sure if you are fishing longer top shots for any reason to see if you are using a more heat resistant line or consider fishing mostly all Spectra. If you, like me, are not yet sure what brand Mono line that is, start doing some research and share it with me. Bring a Camera “cuz you aint seen nuttin like dis”. Bring a light raincoat if you want to stay dry as squalls come through all the time. It is warm constantly so you will not need much, if anything in the way of cold weather stuff.


For those flying in make sure you check with your airline to see their restrictions on checking rods. Additionally flying back from Panama to the U.S. you may not be allowed to have line on your carry on reels. This could also happen when you leave the U.S. depending on how tight TSA regulations are. Be prepared to check you reels. If you are concerned purchase a few TSA keyed locks for your
baggage. Only TSA and you will be able to open it. Definitely check out every airline restriction you can and be prepared to pay extra for your rods.


In conclusion, Panama is just an AMAZING destination. Regardless if you stay at the wonderful Panama Sport Fishing Lodge or will be aboard the Intrepid flying in to begin your Long Range Panama adventure you are in for a real treat. If you are prepared for the heat and various forms of fishing you should have the time of your life.

http://www.panamasportfishinglodge.com/


http://www.fishintrepid.com/fish.html


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    Thanks for posting your thoughts Jamie. You owe it to yourself to try some Streamline leaders for casting

    http://streamlineleaders.com/

    very small serve that goes through the guides like buttah. I'm surprised you didn't see any on your trip?

    they're dreamy :).
     
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    Thanks for sharing all that great information, sounds like an awesome trip/location.

    Do you have plans to bring deep jigging rods/tackle on some of your long range trips?
     
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    Thanks for posting your thoughts Jamie. You owe it to yourself to try some Streamline leaders for casting

    http://streamlineleaders.com/

    very small serve that goes through the guides like buttah. I'm surprised you didn't see any on your trip?

    they're dreamy :).

    Hi John,

    I have heard about these windons but I cannot find out how they differ from other windons using a small diameter spectra serve. It appears as if instead of a loop to loop it uses an in line hollow splice but to me that has zero effect. Maybe you can tell me if I am wrong about this or why this wind on is different. I look forward to your reply.

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    Absolutely will be trying it on my nest long range trip.

    Jamie

    Thanks for sharing all that great information, sounds like an awesome trip/location.

    Do you have plans to bring deep jigging rods/tackle on some of your long range trips?
     
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    Hi John,

    I have heard about these windons but I cannot find out how they differ from other windons using a small diameter spectra serve. It appears as if instead of a loop to loop it uses an in line hollow splice but to me that has zero effect. Maybe you can tell me if I am wrong about this or why this wind on is different. I look forward to your reply.

    Jamie

    They work great and I have caught cows on them. Expensive, but worth it for casting situations. Only 1 foot inserted into hollow. The maker calls it a pressure serve. Not sure if that means the line is under heavy tension when made, the serve is made under heavy tension or both. No external wraps to come undone. He also cycle tested these to make sure they wouldn't slip.

    Thanks for the report.
     
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    Hi John,

    I have heard about these windons but I cannot find out how they differ from other windons using a small diameter spectra serve. It appears as if instead of a loop to loop it uses an in line hollow splice but to me that has zero effect. Maybe you can tell me if I am wrong about this or why this wind on is different. I look forward to your reply.

    Jamie

    Yea, as aaron posted just a couple of subtle differences to make them ideal. The serve is a low profile one that goes through the guides great and as it is made under heavy load it is true 100% load bearing. It has no over-wraps to get beat up by the guides and lead to potential failure. The net result is this allows a very short splice that also does not interfere with the line going through the guides. With my "nail nub" home-mades for example the 5' insertion ends up on the reel and it creates the normal loops in front of the first guide as it comes off of the reel during a cast but they are much stiffer than braid due to the heavy leader. You then really feel that 5' getting pulled through the guides as a significant tug and it really hurts distance for effort.

    It is then joined loop to loop with the main line like other windons for 100% strength.

    Lastly (and this is something you can easily do yourself with any windon) they are sized so that the serve is just off of the reel after you have knotted or crimped the leader to a lure. This way it shoots through the guides before the loops form that would add drag but you have about 10 feet of leader so it's tough enough for cow sized tuna and you add a little more stretch to keep the hooks in.

    It's just a few details optimized for casting with a spinning rod plus professionally built so as reliable as possible. Definitely worth it for casting to big 'uns. I use them whenever I want ideal reliability. I use my nail nubs or others for schoolies or jigging.

    pm me a mailing address and I'll pop one in the mail for you to check out.

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    Hi John,

    That is a great offer and I will gladly take you up on it. Just have to ask if the sample you are sending is the 1 foot insertion or the one you describe as 5 feet total. No need to send the latter as regardless of the type of compression or serve I need to find something with a very short
    insertion length where only non inserted spectra falls inside or to the reel side of the tip. I really do want to find out more about the one with the compression serve and very short insertion length. I have looked these up previously and could not figure out, based on what appears as the mono to spectra connection seeming to be at the reel and not outside the tip in the web site picture, exactly what I was looking at. Thank you again

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    They work great and I have caught cows on them. Expensive, but worth it for casting situations. Only 1 foot inserted into hollow. The maker calls it a pressure serve. Not sure if that means the line is under heavy tension when made, the serve is made under heavy tension or both. No external wraps to come undone. He also cycle tested these to make sure they wouldn't slip.

    Thanks for the report.

    Thank you Aaron,

    I had heard a few things about these short compression windons from Basil, I think. I just could not get any info on them or the testing that has been done. I do not believe in testing where you hand a weight or put a steady pull on the line rather I believe in shocking the line similar to what happens in real life in the field. I would love to get the straight skinny on these things including how they were tested.

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    Hi John,

    That is a great offer and I will gladly take you up on it. Just have to ask if the sample you are sending is the 1 foot insertion or the one you describe as 5 feet total. No need to send the latter as regardless of the type of compression or serve I need to find something with a very short
    insertion length where only non inserted spectra falls inside or to the reel side of the tip. I really do want to find out more about the one with the compression serve and very short insertion length. I have looked these up previously and could not figure out, based on what appears as the mono to spectra connection seeming to be at the reel and not outside the tip in the web site picture, exactly what I was looking at. Thank you again

    Jamie

    Sorry for the confusion. Just pm me your mailing address and I'll send you one of the Streamline leaders that have the very short insertion so you can see and use it yourself. Also if you contact pametfisher at 360tuna.com he can fill you in more on his wind ons.

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    Great report. I like to see the East and West coast come together on methodology. Instead of arguing about which way and which reels are better. It is good to use the best knowledge of both worlds and integrate them into something that you enjoy.
    I have always been a "meat" fisherman and typically used electric reels for deep water groupers and tilefish but I got turned on to the Asian style speed jigging and I got completely hooked on this style. I have been jigging next to my friend with live bait and have gotten more strikes and fish on the vertical jigs.
    I posted a question on the other forum about using a high speed reel (6.2/1)for YoYo and got mostly negative feedback because if you hook a decent fish with a high gear ratio its more difficult to land. I agree its more difficult but I disagree that it could not be accomplished. Although I want to bring to gaff a fish as much as anyone, there is nothing wrong with working for the fish, at least a little bit. It makes the next beer taste all that much better.
     
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    Hi Scott,

    I really like high speed reels for jigging. So much that all my Accurate ATD's were high speeded many years ago. This trip to Panama the time I did try this High Speed Jigging I used my good ol Accurate Boss 665 2 speed and just kept it in high. Tuna were no problem at all though I never hooked one over maybe 60 or 70 pounds. None the less Chris, Willy and I brought our Jig caught fish to the boat in just a few minutes maximum using this deep jigging or high speed jigging method. For those 8 day trips for Yellowfin, Yellowtail, Grouper, etc. this could be the hot ticket with a high speed reel. Of course you need proper technique to bring a fish in with a high speed reel. This mean a ton more short stroking and working the fish hard to keep its nose pointed at the boat.
    Thus a very short, heavy top shot, connected to ones spectra will enable the angler to just man handle the fish to the boat. If the angler is not in good enough fishing shape and have the technique to just put the wood to the fish then I can see a few problems with high speed only. Other than that I say go for it.

    Jamie
     
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    Hi Scott,

    I really like high speed reels for jigging. So much that all my Accurate ATD's were high speeded many years ago. This trip to Panama the time I did try this High Speed Jigging I used my good ol Accurate Boss 665 2 speed and just kept it in high. Tuna were no problem at all though I never hooked one over maybe 60 or 70 pounds. None the less Chris, Willy and I brought our Jig caught fish to the boat in just a few minutes maximum using this deep jigging or high speed jigging method. For those 8 day trips for Yellowfin, Yellowtail, Grouper, etc. this could be the hot ticket with a high speed reel. Of course you need proper technique to bring a fish in with a high speed reel. This mean a ton more short stroking and working the fish hard to keep its nose pointed at the boat.
    Thus a very short, heavy top shot, connected to ones spectra will enable the angler to just man handle the fish to the boat. If the angler is not in good enough fishing shape and have the technique to just put the wood to the fish then I can see a few problems with high speed only. Other than that I say go for it.

    Jamie

    My thoughts exactly. Here in S. FL we jig a lot of AJs off of the shipwrecks and you have to turn them fast or else its all over. Quick short pumping of the rod is a must. Yes it is a lot of work but it is fun. I think speed jigging for Yellowtail in Baja would be the cats ass.
     
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    Jennifer fighting tuna. It was her first tuna ever.
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    Dong Shin joined the trip for Korean TV fishing show. He participated in tagging program.
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    Chris fighting using 8' Black Hole Cape Cod Special Nano carbon rod.
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    Jamie fighting tuna using 8' Black Hole Cpar Cod special 'graphite" rod.
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    The hottest lure on this trip was Heru Skipjack.

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    Jennifer never caught tuna before this trip, but she already fight tuna like a professional.

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    10'6" prototype Black Hole Cape Cod Special surf rods in action.
    This long surf rod is not for tuna popping, but we decided to experiment this 'Nano carbon' rod for tuna to test the strength of the rods because you can land any fish with this long rod from the surf if it can handle small tuna.

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    Two boats went for inshore popping and one boat went for marlin with live bait on the last day.
    The boat went offshore landed a 400 - 450 lb marlin, 130 lb tuna and 233 lbs tuna in three hour fishing.


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    Jamie:

    Great write up and nice pics!

    Leaving on the Big Boat for 15 days on Friday.

    NO spinning or popping for me, but I 'll try and have fun anyway........
     
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    Jamie:

    Great write up and nice pics!

    Leaving on the Big Boat for 15 days on Friday.

    NO spinning or popping for me, but I 'll try and have fun anyway........

    Hi Tim,

    No way you are going to have fun on the Big X with Big Al the fisherman's Pal,
    and all the Big fish just waiting for you to Whack them. No way, NO how....LOL Have a fantastic trip and who knows, you might just buy a popper or borrow one from Justin before you go. If Kenny is going with you guys I'll bet he might just go for it. Very best of luck and I know you all are going to have a blast..

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    Just in case your fishing juices were not on boil take a look at some of the pics showing how the fish boil up. Believe it or not this was a normal day chasing boiling fish and yes, the scene really looked like this. On a few stops the boils were so thick it literally looked liked a washing machine filled with suds. The word SPECTACULAR does not do the visual justice. Enjoy

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    Great write up Jamie. I'll be on the Intrepid next April! Looking forward to that awesome fishery in Panama. I can't wait! I'm building a few spinners/deep jigging rods right now for customers... but I have a feeling I'll be building some for myself before the year is over!! I've already started collecting my poppers!!!

    Did you find any specific brands of mono that are "heat rated"? I need to look into that as I have mostly conv gear .
     
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    Hi Ken,

    So far no luck on Tropical rated mono for casting artificials. I have spoken with the folks at Momoi and so far its a no go. They have their hard diamond series as well as another series in lighter line but nothing specific for casting in hot/humid weather. I still have a ton of research to do though. As far as deep jigging be sure to bring some pink and white 8 - 12 oz. knife type jigs. For these I preferred using conventional type gear with high speed. For this application a 2 speed reel will not hurt should you run into a giant. Funny, but on your drops you never know what you will pull up including a giant marlin.

    Glad to hear you are on the Intrepid. I cannot wait to find how folks take to this trip and to Panama. Definitely stay for a tour of the Canal if you have never done so before. Take a tour of the old city as there is so much history there. Hopefully a group of you can arrange for a great tour guide as it makes a big difference.

    Best of luck and I will post when I have time to get the mono information.

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    thanks Jamie.... I'll keep an eye out for your posts.... as for spending some time there, there are about 6 of us going a few days early for some R and R.... hope we make it to the boat! :)
     
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